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#364345 04/16/14 06:00 PM
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I am in the final shaping stage of a butt stock. In shouldering the stock the toe is digging into the chest and needs to be turned out. The question is can I bend the stock in the unfinished stage with oil and heat and still be able to stain and finish afterward?

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Yes.
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John Roberts,

I am going to put a lot of expensive wood and even more labor at risk. Would you mind expounding on your answer a bit? Have you actually done this? Did you wash the stock down with TSP or some compound afterwards before staining? What kind of stain did you use? I would really appreciate your help.

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Jerry; you may also use just heat on an unfinished piece of wood .....provided you keep the heat source more than 7 inches away from the sides of the stock and you use heat shields fore and aft of the bending site. I do not bend the toe area, I apply heat to the wrist area and then use a wedge shaped piece of wood padded with leather to persuade the toe to move over. I have a timer to guide my heating time. I very rarely exceed 20 minutes at 7" heat source from the wood. If it takes more than one time of heating...I do it. OH, be sure to keep the pressure on the bend at least 6 hours. I usually leave the stock overnight in the jig. It works for me. Mr. Roberts will be along soon to explain his procedures. Remember...there is no ONE way to accomplish a goal.


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According to several wood-bending experts I've talked with over the years, the hot oil does not penetrate the wood enough to matter, and can be cleaned off with a strong solvent like lacquer thinner without affecting the finishing procedure. Never done it my self, just relating what I've been told. I suppose if you used a very poor grade of American walnut with very large, open pores, there could be a problem, but not on tight-grained dense woods like most high-grade stocks are made from.
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An interesting comment. Why do you leave the gun in the jig for more than six hours?
Surely once the set has been made and the wood returned to ambient temperature very little set back will take place?

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Jerry; I'm not a stocker, but I've had lots of them bent. From what I've been told, it is impossible to turn the toe out in a twisting like fashion. If the tip of the toe is digging into your chest, you might consider adding more 'down' pitch. That would likely solve the problem. If you bend it, I would think you would have to 'cast off' quite a lot to move the toe out where it wouldn't dig in to your chest. And if you don't require gobs of cast off, that will ultimately be a problem too.


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Like many here I like to shoot a different gun each time. I got tired of guns that did not fit me so I built a bender using heat lamps. I have done around 20 bends, many to reduce drop, successfully. When I bend for cast off I always push off the toe which turns the toe out. So far it has worked pretty well.


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Salopian,I have found that making sure the gunstock is fully set is the key to not having the gunstock move after the bending process.

In my younger days it was not unusual for the owner to complain to my employer of recoil causing the gunstock to return to the original position. While your observation of the wood having cooled to room temp sooner than six hours is accurate, the boss was always pushing to get the work done. The six hour time frame was just not enough to keep complaints from occurring. I was not satisfied with the way the bending was going. I took it upon myself to try different ways of bending. Through trial and error I discovered, that for me, the longer time in the jig minimized the amount of spring back/return under recoil. I also adopted a policy of going slowly in the bending process so as to not over stress the wood and cause a broken gunstock. The overnight process allows me a modest safety factor for success. I also allow the bent gunstock to set in the gun rack for two days afterwards to make sure I don't need to re-do my own work. I hate redoing my own work!

I too have listened to people saying you can only do it this way or that way and it will always be thus and so... People today still say you may not bend a through bolt stock. That has not been my experience. Some through bolt guns are more difficult than others... I admit it. However, there are very very few I have not been able to bend.

Buzz, yes you can move(twist) the toe over without moving the comb. It takes a wedge and way to hold the comb in position, but it can be done....I have been doing it for a long time.


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Hmmm....well, that's good to know. Two different stockers told me too much risk of breaking. I'm going to send you one down the road because I prefer a little cast at toe in my guns. Thx Dennis for the good info.


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