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Has anyone else come across one of these: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=...e=1&theaterIt is an early breech-loading centre-fire by Wiggan & Elliott with a stock profile that has the toe shaped as the heel normally is and vice versa. See photos. I'm thinking "Why?". Any ideas?
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When an old man dies a library burns to the ground. (Old African proverb)
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Click on each photo and it goes to the next one.
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A bit like a military Mauser 98 stock, only much more refined...
No idea, but a very interesting and attractive hammer gun.
I have never seen a top fastener like that either.
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I see what you are talking about. The toe is wider than the heel by a bunch.
I suppose some sort of physical handicap though I cannot imagine a handicap that that configuration would help.
I am glad to be here.
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Perphas it was intended to be used as a "priest"? 
Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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I have two here - a 12-bore and a 28-bore - both with the same stock shape!
The Action is H. Elliott's patent of 1863 (no. 1782). Interestingly the bar is also stamped 'W. Phillipson'.
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Digs,
I think this might be to cope with a collar bone injury. These were perhaps more common when horses were the normal form of transport.
I broke mine in a motorcycle accident and, common to most people with this injury, the ends knitted out of line, mainly because it can not be splinted.
This has given me a pronounced knob just inboard of my shoulder pocket which doesn't like guns recoiling against it. I know this because, even though I normally shoot from the other shoulder, part of my BASC coach training involved shooting off the 'wrong' shoulder.
A slim heel to the stock would have avoided the knob and removed the tendency to seat the butt more towards my shoulder muscle and upper arm.
The wider toe would imply a thin chest with little in the way of pectoral musculature, probably a more common feature in a time of rampant TB and relatively poor nutrition in the rural population.
Or it might just have been widened to spread the recoil load. After all, a narrow toe is more about tradition than necessity providing the toe has more cast outwards than the heel.
We tend to imagine the shoulder pocket with the arm hanging down while in fact when shooting most peoples trigger arm is lifted to about 40-60 deg. This opens out the bottom of the shoulder pocket, easily accommodating a wide toe.
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Toby, sorry to hear about your pronounced knob!
Interesting suggestions. It does seem odd thought that only Wiggan & Elliot guns have this and they seem to be on a lot of the guns extant.
If it were a one -off I'd think your ideas more likely, unless they were all made for the same person.
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Just a flow of fantasy:
1. Squire N, a big sport, with an injury as described by Toby, orders a gun from W&E, with the stock as described by Dig.
2. The gun dramatically improves Squire N's shooting.
3 Squire N touts the merits of W&E.
4. All Squire N's neighbours friends and family (those who shoot anyway) come to W&N asking to make them a gun 'just like the one you made for Squire N'
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