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#382176 10/30/14 03:32 PM
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Has anyone else had reasonable success using rifles choked tubes in a side-by-side to create a poor-man's paradox? A friend has had good luck doing this with a Zabala 10-gauge. I'm just wondering if it is possible to get 2- 3-inch groups at 50 yards with, say, round balls of Fosburys loaded in Magtech brass shells with either black or smokeless. My guess is the wild card is how well the barrels are regulated.
Looking at using some sort of double with Greener crossbolt for this.

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Hi Bill, I posted on your other post too.
I dont know much about this, but am mighty interested in Bore rifles that throw big blue whistlers
With rifled choke tubes, I have heard that there is a danger of the threads blowing out as the bullet slams into the rifling...also the prob of regulation....I just haven't seen much positive feed back when the rifled tube has been tossed out to chew on, thats all.
Most seem to go with sleeving a double with rifled tubes & regulating it like a regular rifle.
Like I said over at the other section..A nice single would be fun (Cheaper) & alot easier to regulate...just get the sights onto the hole your making in the target,lol.
If by chance the two holes are close before regulation, I believe I have heard of people putting a sight on each bbl.
Keep us posted Bill.
I have a modern NEF/H&R 20 bore single rifled slug gun, which I cast Balls for...it very accurate, but woefully ugly
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The 10 bore paradox guns were big bore dangerous game guns. 925gr bullet @ 1500fps. Lots of recoil in a 13 lb gun.

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Franc, a rifled NEF slug gun is certainly the quickest and least expensive route toward throwing big chunks of lead down range accurately. It is indeed too bad that they are so homely.
PM, I have not worked with 10 bore, but have had two of the Pedersoli Kodiak SXS percussion rifles in .72. I will agree that 150 grains of FFg under an 835-grain Fosbury slug will command one's attention. I cannot recall what this load chronographed.
Graeme Wright reports the original BP Paradox ballistics as 750-grain Fosbury at 1000, with the later smokeless "Magnum" giving 1300-1500, and the Westley-Richards Explora Magnum a 730-grain slug at 1500. Plenty of punch on both ends in 12 gauge.
Just be fun to have some sort of cartridge side-by-side that would reliably put its pumpkin balls on a paper plate at 50 yards.
That 10-bore Paradox seems to have the classic ratchet-style rifling at the muzzles.

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Originally Posted By: Bill/Oregon
Franc, a rifled NEF slug gun is certainly the quickest and least expensive route toward throwing big chunks of lead down range accurately. It is indeed too bad that they are so homely.
PM, I have not worked with 10 bore, but have had two of the Pedersoli Kodiak SXS percussion rifles in .72. I will agree that 150 grains of FFg under an 835-grain Fosbury slug will command one's attention. I cannot recall what this load chronographed.
Graeme Wright reports the original BP Paradox ballistics as 750-grain Fosbury at 1000, with the later smokeless "Magnum" giving 1300-1500, and the Westley-Richards Explora Magnum a 730-grain slug at 1500. Plenty of punch on both ends in 12 gauge.


The 10 bore paradox = 220gr BP and a 925gr bullet. The later Holland smokeless load gave the same ballistics using pistol cordite.

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I once owned a gun built by Wm. Evans that was regulated and proofed for the Westley round. The recoil was brutal. I was shooting it once amongst a group of guys and we all agreed that the full nitro .577 3" with 750grain bullets was much more pleasant to shoot than the paradox gun. The thing literally kicked like a mule.


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SKB, how much did your Evans weigh?

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Most guns chambered for the WR SME cartridge weigh between 7.5 and 8.5 lbs. The magic of this combo is not only in the barrels but the loading of the cartridge.


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If memory serves, 8&1/4 lbs


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