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I apologize for being pushy, do you have pictures To make it clearer to me. again I am sorry

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Originally Posted By: Small Bore
Agree with Toby. Spotting a bar lock just requires you yo look for the mainspring locating pin at the forward extremity of the lock.

A lot of cheaper guns were made as back-actions but so were lot of very expensive ones - the obvious being Purdey's island lock guns and Grant & Hodges patent side-levers, 90%+ of which seem to be back locks.

I find the weight in a bar lock is concentrated around the action a little more. All my personal hammer guns are bar-locks, not a conscious decision on my part but perhaps an interesting observation, they just feel right in the hand. That is just my opinion - the Marquis of Ripon pretty much exclusively used back action Purdey's - so what do I know! wink





and a question to small bore . What is " Purdey island lock "?

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Just my opinion, but my 1907 back lock Holland is a joy to shoot with, easily as nice a balance and swing as my EJ Churchill XXV bar lock. I also note that H&H is still making best back locks, in guns as well as rifles.
Granger, afaik, island locks (and peninsula locks) are found in older hammer guns, where the lock plate is separate from (or only butting to minimally) the action body.

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Granger:
Here is a Purdey with Island Locks. Note the lock is separated from the action by wood.


Here is a full bar action lock with the main spring pin clearly visible in the bar of the lock plate.



Here is a back action bar-lock where there is no visible main spring pin in the bar of the lock plate.
The gun was a Pigeon style hammergun and back action locks were used for maximum strength in the action bar.

The shape of the lock plate is irrelevant, look for the main spring pin.



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Not all bar action hammer guns had the pin (screw post) in the mainspring area.
Picture of Quality AA L.C. Smith, one of two known to exist.

Instead of a pin, the area for the mainspring was milled out to half the height of the mainspring.

I refer to this type of lock, a 5 pin 2 screw bar action lock. This 5 pin was used from 1884-1889 when it was then changed to a 6 pin 2 screw bar action lock.
Only one true pin and that is the sear axle.


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It is noted that both the L C Smith & Baker sidelock hammerless doubles have back action locks with a plate having the bar. Likewise does a British J P Clabrough & a German J P Sauer & Son of which I have an example of each. None of these would qualify as "Best" but they likewise are not "Cheap Junk", all being solid well built guns.


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After seeing several muzzle loading hammer guns with busted lock springs that when they broke they had caused severe damage to the stock it dawned on me that one of the reasons a bar action is better is because should the lock spring break in a true bar action it's inclosed in steel and there will be no cracked stock...other than that I see no real advantage or disadvantage over other designs.

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thank you all

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