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There are a few Ideal aficionados on the board, and I thought I'd get your input: It would appear that some later (post war) Ideals had monoblock barrels, quite a departure from the predominate demi, even on the lowest grades. Looks pretty clear in this photo: The engraving on the barrels where the joint would be is of course the most obvious clue, another the break in the "plume." As Post Oak often says, "just when you think you know Ideals..."
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There were two parts to this. There was a "Robust-Ideal" low cost model first (in the 30s IIRC) and then the monoblock construction of the Robust was generalized in the 70s I believe. I don't have my Mournetas handy, but it is well described in it.
Another option would be that the gun would have had issues along the way (such as being buried during WWII) and somebody sleeved it. More info on the model would help.
I don't think that the "single digit grade" Ideals would ever have that "feature" from the factory.
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Just having lunch right now on a break from house painting. Will check Mournetas tonight and see what I can find.
I think WC is on the right track.
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OK, I am familiar with the stepped barrel, monoblock Robust. Here's another one, represented by the seller as "like new." This ain't no Robust:
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There were two parts to this. There was a "Robust-Ideal" low cost model first (in the 30s IIRC) and then the monoblock construction of the Robust was generalized in the 70s I believe. I don't have my Mournetas handy, but it is well described in it.
Another option would be that the gun would have had issues along the way (such as being buried during WWII) and somebody sleeved it. More info on the model would help.
I don't think that the "single digit grade" Ideals would ever have that "feature" from the factory.
Best regards, WC- Here is a link to the gun: http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAGNIFIQUE-FUSIL-MANUFRANCE-IDEAL-CAL12-item-2133233.html
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Mine doesn't have mono-blocked barrels. It is not a high grade, an R-3, I think and built in the '20s...Geo
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A former co-worker of mine had a Manufrance he called a Robust. I saw it one time & to the best of my recollection it was so marked. It had top lever opening & did not have the "Stepped" monoblock. I do want to think though that it had the smooth style of monoblock, but could be wrong on that. It was 16ga, very light weight, sunken rib & sling that rolled up into the butt stock. I was quite impressed with it. He is now deceased & I have not a clue as to where the gun went.
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Here is an example of the stepped monoblock Robust with underlever:
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They were also available, very commonly, with the less expensive top lever action:
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Well let me see, it was in the early to mid 70's when I saw this Robust, so 40 years ago. Memory may have slipped a bit. Maybe it didn't have the top lever, but I distinctly remember it did not have the stepped barrels. It may not have been monoblocked at all, just can't say for positive. I do recall it as way nicer than the Robust model which was then currently being offered. This gun was stated to be an older Robust.
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