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found a nice 12 C 1902 today serial 1571. My question do these all have damascus barrels. This one was rust blued. with mint bores. And are there any shortcomings for this gun. Someone had repladed the butt stock and removed the proof marks? ? rechambered. thanks
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No. In the earliest Baltimore Arms Co. catalogue, the A-Grade came with Twist barrels, the B-Grade had three-blade Damascus barrels and the C-Grade with some engraving and a choice of Damascus or Fluid Steel barrels. By 1902 the A-Grade came with "Best English Stub Twist" or plain steel barrels, the B-Grade got a bit of line engraving and came with 3-ply Damascus barrels and the C-Grade with Fine Damascus or Ortin (Nitro spelled backwards) Steel barrels. They had also added the Trap Gun with Fluid Steel barrels, the D-Grade with Finest Damascus or Monumental (named for Monumental Shooting Park in Baltimore) Steel barrels and added 16-gauge guns to the offerings. At some point they also began offering steel barrels on the B-Grade as I have a B-Grade 1904 Model with steel barrels --  
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I believe they used a Hollenback patent, that's why they look so similar to Syracuse guns. Isn't that the sear pivot pin high up towards the rear of the action? If so, it kind'a looks like what Kerner did for A&D actions, reducing the possibility of firing when dropped. No need for safety sears...I haven't taken my SAC guns apart yet..
Last edited by Ken61; 07/24/15 07:29 PM.
I prefer wood to plastic, leather to nylon, waxed cotton to Gore-Tex, and split bamboo to graphite.
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Actually, Frank A. Hollenbeck's Patent No. 643,601 granted Feb. 13, 1900, the date which is stamped on Baltimore Arms Co. gun's watertables --   covers the bolting mechanism and has nothing to do with the lock mechanism. Cut-away of the mechanism from the 1900 Baltimore Arms Co. catalogue --  Cut-away of the mechanism from the 1903 Baltimore Arms Co. catalogue -- 
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Interesting. I wonder who's patent the action is based on? Wasn't A.H. Fox in charge of production at some time?
Answered my own question, I found several of your old posts.
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I prefer wood to plastic, leather to nylon, waxed cotton to Gore-Tex, and split bamboo to graphite.
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No. Ansley was on the road promoting Winchester ammunition and shooting a Parker Bros. gun during the early days of Baltimore Arms Co. and by August 1900 the Big W had him shucking a Model 1897.
It would be grand to have a recording of that January 2, 1900, share holders meeting of the Fox Gun Co., Balto., MD., U.S.A., that led to four of the directors and one director's brother incorporating Baltimore Arms Co. under the laws of the state of West Virginia eight days later.
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great information. This gun has a replacement for the butt stock and otherwise is in good shape for a gun made in the early 1900's. Not a collector and has been rechambered to 2 3/4 " would anyone have a concern with shooting this shotgun. This would be my first double and to me the back trigger is really difficult to get to" seems too close"
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You should consider going through the normal process of evaluating a potential Vintage Shooter. Make sure it is not loose or off-face, has no other faults that would compromise Safety, and certainly have the wall thickness verified, especially if it's been altered. If you do decide to shoot it, you should consider bedding the action. Due to it's age, you certainly want to use low-pressure loads with psi appropriate for the gun (or lower) when it was made.
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I prefer wood to plastic, leather to nylon, waxed cotton to Gore-Tex, and split bamboo to graphite.
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Ive checked everything except the barrel thickness. Will find someone to measure for me. thanks
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