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Mr. 21: That is a lovely gun! After looking this Field grade over more closely, it's pretty clear to me that the Graded guns got way-more time spent on them (as, I suppose, it should be). I'm assuming your Gun is a Grade 4? Is there a cut-off point where fit & finish markedly improves on these guns?
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Thanks. That's actually 3 guns, two 4s and a 3. But to answer your question I think the 2s and up a considerably better fit. The F,1, and 1 1/2 are noticeably coarser.
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I just ran across a nice example of a Flues Model in 20-gauge. Very good weight (5 3/4 lbs) and dimensions (14 1/4 LOP to the plate, 28-tubes), it even has some very attractive light engraving. I've just not seen many 20s, and most (if not all) that I have run across have been badly used-up. The price tag seemed shockingly inexpensive. Is there something about the Flues guns that I don't know about? I would assume that because of it's rather petite nature, that lower pressure/lower velocity shells would be good policy. Is there something else? This brand consistently delivers very good quality for price paid. I have seen knockabout grade 20ga extractor gun marked New Ithaca Double. It had good wood, nicely finished rib, wood checkering and matting on top of action to prevent glare. The price was well under $1000. No other classic American small-bore can come close in quality to price to that offering. Enjoy your new treasure.
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Fired my Field Grade 20 the other day with some 2 1/2-inch English loads. The triggers seem a bit stiff & heavy to me (may just need a good cleaning?) and the extractor doesn't seem to lift the shells from the breech very far. I'm going measure the tubes very carefully (to see if I have any options for improving the handling) and then have the gun looked-over & serviced by a competent double-gun 'smith. If I can make a few improvements it will be a fine gun for the money. If not....
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One other comment on the swamped ribs. My pivot lever 10 ga Lefever E grade #10,515 has a concave rib, but not a swamped one. There are really I believe 4 definitions to describe a rib shape, straight, swamped, flat & concave. Straight means it is straight from breech to muzzle, swamped means it drops down between the barrels between breech & muzzle. Flat & concave apply to the width cross section. Thus either a straight or swamped rib can be either flat or concave.
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Remington Arms Co. used the terms "Flat Matted Rib" and "Hollow Rib" to describe the ribs on their Remington Hammerless Doubles up through the 1905-1906 catalogue. Early on, all the Remington Hammerless Doubles had the Flat Fatted Rib. In the 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalogue they begin offering "Hollow rib furnished to order" on the C-Grade and higher guns. Beginning with the first 1906 Remington Arms Co. catalogue they just say "matted rib" for the various K-grades and "concave rib, matted" for all the grades from A- to EEO-grade.  Hollow (Concave) Matted Rib left (1905 vintage CEO-Grade), Flat Matted Rib right (1895 vintage BE-Grade).
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Lots of good info!
Nice to see a 4 page post that did not turn into a peeing contest!!
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It wasn't for lack of effort.
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If the gun fits this Flues is very good choice for someone on tight budget. In used field grade we see them for about same price as Nitro Special. The Ithaca is far better handling upland gun. The cost is less than gold standard of bargain game guns which around here is Ithaca-Sakaba 100, 200 or 280.
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