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Good idea, I've seen that done, but never tried it myself. If I ever get my pattern plate up I have lots of experimental loads to try like that. I'm just tired of messing with paper. I load part of my shot on top of the insert and have been getting very good results out of my .020" choked MX8.
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Well all I was really saying was that for a given amount of shot the shorter & fatter the column the shot will be much more prone to exit the barrel "ROUND" rather than "Squashed". Still don't see what's so hard to understand abut that.
Best Shotgun advice I ever read was to decide how much shot you wanted to throw, how heavy a gun you were willing to carry & how much recoil you could tolerate.
Once you reached a reasonable compromise on those three point, select a gun with the biggest hole down the barrel which met those criteria. What squashes it and where is it squashed? On the top of the shot, on the bottom or both? It seems to me that, if this is the case, the top layer of shot would be squashed on the bottom, the bottom layer would be squashed on the top and the intermediate layers would be squashed on both top and bottom. Yet, I have seen perfectly round unsquashed shot in birds. I really don't understand your theory and question its validity, but I could be wrong. I can see that the shot in contact with the bore could be misshapen altho shot cups should limit that. Anyone else have any thoughts on the squash theory?
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Thanks for that lInk. I reread it and it refreshed some things that had slipped my mind. One thing for sure. I'm a solid believer in disc and post inserts with some shot on top. And, thanks again for posting that pictorial on using the 9000G to do it. It's been a big help for me.
I won a little local tournament last Saturday with the .020" x .020" MX8, and those spreaders were just the ticket on two very close rabbit stations.
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Well all I was really saying was that for a given amount of shot the shorter & fatter the column the shot will be much more prone to exit the barrel "ROUND" rather than "Squashed". Still don't see what's so hard to understand abut that.
Best Shotgun advice I ever read was to decide how much shot you wanted to throw, how heavy a gun you were willing to carry & how much recoil you could tolerate.
Once you reached a reasonable compromise on those three point, select a gun with the biggest hole down the barrel which met those criteria. One does wonders how them little round shot ever got to that bird. surely I was not suggesting that a What squashes it and where is it squashed? On the top of the shot, on the bottom or both? It seems to me that, if this is the case, the top layer of shot would be squashed on the bottom, the bottom layer would be squashed on the top and the intermediate layers would be squashed on both top and bottom. Yet, I have seen perfectly round unsquashed shot in birds. I really don't understand your theory and question its validity, but I could be wrong. I can see that the shot in contact with the bore could be misshapen altho shot cups should limit that. Anyone else have any thoughts on the squash theory? One wonders how those little round shot got to that bird. Surely I was not suggesting they were hit a terrific blow by the rapidly burning powder to "Kick" them on their way. Man if you don't understand that I don't think you even know how a shotgun works. Most of the deformation of the shot will of course occur to those at the bottom of the shell, they have to push the ones in front of them. The round ones were the ones which didn't get deformed & flew the straightest thus killed the bird.
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Mike, good photos that show what can be done out of fixed choke barrells. I believe in spreaders for extremely close targets just like I believe in tight chokes in large bore guns with light shot loads. Believing in your equipment is half the game. Let's you focus on the target forget about the gun and load.
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Amen, and amen, Boats.
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Anyone else have any thoughts on the squash theory? Well, it's not a theory. It is a proven fact that setback causes shot to be misshapen. Also fact that the shot on the bottom of the load are more prone to be misshapen than those on top. Antimony helps to lessen that, as does collapsible wad columns and, IMO, moderate muzzle velocities. I just don't believe shot will be misshapen as badly started out at 1100 fps as they will at 1350. Simple physics. SRH
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100% correct Stan.Truly I though everyone was aware of this.
The more velocity & the longer the shot column the more important premium components become.
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Sometimes the wheel needs to be reinvented . . . or memories refreshed. It's like a number of the "Finding Out For Myself" series of articles Sherman Bell has done in Double Gun Journal. Much of what he covers (like using shells the fired length of which is longer than the chamber in which they were fired) was covered by people like Burrard and Thomas in British publications, but not necessarily well-known on this side of the pond. Refresher courses (or reminders of previous discussions) can be valuable.
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