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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
Ted, I had a 20ga Beretta folder I liked ok. It kicked too much though.

Add Stevens and CVA to the American hammerless single list. The Stevens may have been a precursor to the Savage 220 though, and the CVA doesn't really look American to me...Geo

Stevens: <https://www.gunsamerica.com/941715530/j-stevens-hammerless-single-shot.htm?showlogin=2>

and CVA: < https://www.gunsamerica.com/984228946/CVA-Shotgun-Model-Single-Shot.htm> Note: the CVA says "Made in Italy" on it.




Geo,
Try a 3" round in my Companion 12 to get a different perspective of "kicks too much".

My Dad made sure it had a 3" chamber, because, to his way of thinking, if 3" wasn't better, they wouldn't make 'em. I uncorked a few in the gun before it occured to me that my Dad had gotten way into goose hunting, and my Mom's perfectly good Irish Setter (a show dog that would hunt) was getting left at home.

See you at home, Pops. Been a grouse and pheasant hunter ever since. The Remington model 17 came to live with me right around the same time, and sold me on the notion of having more than one round in a gun. Still have that, too.

I HAVE used the Companion, with it's 30" barrel and super tight choke, for snowshoe grouse hunting, a pretty much pointless exercise in the winter woods, and can report it makes a fine balance beam for snowshoeing.

I've killed exactly one grouse with it, in 35 plus years. WIth the low noise and recoil Winchester loads, it is a tolerable trap gun.

I missed in the bidding on a 16 gauge version a few years ago. Might be a good thing.

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PS: Researcher's advertisement shows .410-12mm. Gil


From their introduction in the U.S.A. circa 1915, the .410-bore shell has also been called 12 mm and 36 gauge. from the 1915-16 Rem-UMC catalogue --







Our .410-bore shell kind of had a dual-track evolution from the European 12 mm and our own .44-40 and .44XL shot cartridges.

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Here's a French roll crimper for the tiny 2" .410/12 mm. shell. It won't handle longer shells. Gil

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Originally Posted By: Researcher
The J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. offered a number of hammerless single barrels from 1900 to 1916. Beginning with the No. 140 in General Catalog No. 50 --


Wow Researcher! Many thanks for the Stevens single shot hammerless line-up. I had no idea they made so many varieties. Where the heck are they all. Much cheaper to "collect" single shots than expensive doubles...Geo

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The tiny 2"! That was the only size in .410 until around 1912. At that time it was a taxidermist specimen hunter's collecting gun and based on the old 12mm. Walkingstick gun cartridge. 2" ammo is still widely available in the U.K. and used a small vermin round usually for rats. Lagopus.....

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Researcher, let me add my thanks also for a most illuminating series of posts. I had never heard of the fancy Stevens singles or the Remington 1893 in 10 ga. Now I want one of each...

Mergus


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Hopkins & Allen, Davenport, and Fyrberg made hammerless singles and American Arms Co. mfg. a semi-hammerless.

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I have never seen one of those fancy J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. hammerless single barrels for sale. At list price of $25 to $35 I doubt they sold many. One could buy a K-Grade Remington, 00-grade L.C. Smith or DS-Grade Lefever for the $25 price of the No. 185. One could buy a Field Grade Ithaca, a Baker Batavia Leader or a Winchester Model 1897 for less!!

I have yet to see one of those Remington No. 3 or No. 9s in anything approaching collector condition. They seem to have all been run hard and left out in the chicken coop.

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Purdey made a very limited number of single barrel guns on the Beesley action. Donald Dallas described one in an early edition of the Double Gun Journal, round about 1996 but unfortunately I have either misplaced that edition or lent it to someone. There is an article about this gun here:

https://www.facebook.com/LindaMellorPhot...17403174938961/

The reason I am so interested in that article is that I grew up in a cottage on the Balbirnie Estate and my father was best friends with the Keeper "Sloane". We all called him "Jimmy". While I was in high school and university I used to go beating on the estate and that is where I got my first interest in shooting.

I was walking on Falkland Hill this past October and flushed a couple of grouse at almost the same place as one of the photographs. That article, when I found it, brought back many pleasant memories of going through thick bramble bushes and the constant tapping of our sticks.


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I have one of the Remington semi-hammerless singles in 20ga. With a cutoff barrel at about 26" it's not exactly collector quality but not bad condition.
I can sorta see how they came up with 12mm for the .410, presume this was based on the case size of a 12mm round @ .472" rather than the bore of the shotgun, but never quite figured how they came up with 36 gauge. With a 36 gauge @ .506" bore I suppose it was just figured this sounded better than calling it the 67.49 gauge that it truly is.


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