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I disagree with your assessment on it being the person's fault. I agree with everything else in that paragraph though!

Freedom is not free.

If we do not defend our rights we will lose them.

Much of our rights are laid out in the Bill of Rights. If we can, by administrative law, at the whim of a bureaucrat, be deprived of our Second Amendment rights we can also be deprived of our right to free speech. Of our right not to have a policeman knock on our door and search our house just because he thinks it is a good idea. If a government employee can, without judge or jury, take away my right to keep and bare arms he can take away my right to reasonable bail. He can take away my right to habeus corpus and jail me indefinitely without a hearing before a judge or a trial.

If people like you want to take away our Constitutional right to keep and bare arms take it away by repealing the Second Amendment. Don't risk throwing away the rest of our civil rights in an end run around the Second Amendment and the Constitution.

Of course I don't think you will be able to repeal the Second Amendment.

Mike, I'm not trying to take your constitutional rights away, and again I would point out in the scenario you outlined above, none of what you fear would ever withstand judicial scrutiny.

You criticize Republicans for refusing to pass a law that violates one of our rights protected by the Bill of Rights:

Then you state that laws that impinge on the Bill of Rights wouldn't withstand judicial scrutiny:


But the Republicans should have passed it anyway?

Once a bill becomes law it becomes orders of magnitude harder to get it overturned through judicial scrutiny. The burden is then upon the party seeking the overturn of the law. And, as King pointed out the courts are no more than another political arm of government. Who is presently in charge of the Country matters more than precedent or the Constitution. The repugs were right to kill this one...Geo

Even if old John Lewis was sitting on the floor.

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Your presuming that I feel the watch list bill violates our rights. To the contrary, I feel it does not.

We'd just have to agree to disagree about that. Secret lists for secret reasons and resulting loss of perceived rights. But it's all ok because you could appeal it if you find out about it...Geo

After watching tv earlier, I would recommend not intending to feel. Then, you can pretty much twist law, rules and regs. to come out how you want them to. Also, don't mention being contrary to anything. You can always pretend to be civil and agreeable, but not let on that only your feelings matter. Agreed?

The Orlando shooter was NOT on a "watch list". He was questioned a couple times by the FBI about stuff he said and about being an acquaintance of a jihadist, and was deemed not a threat.

This same dance about denying gun purchases to people on a "watch list" happened earlier this year. Dems proposed their bill, Republicans made a counter-proposal that stopped a watch list gun purchaser for several days and required executive authorities to get a judge to sign off on the legitimacy of the prior restraint of rights. If there was error and no plausible threat, the buyer would be able to make the purchase. Neither party would support the other's bill, but the Dems made sound-bite hay by loudly and dishonestly accusing Repubs of being in favor of letting people on a watch list buy guns without restriction.

Virtually the same bills were proposed after Orlando, with the same result. Neither side will give any ground to move toward compromise, and the Dems shamelessly accuse the Repubs of giving terrorist watch list people the green light to buy guns.

It's not hard to find the facts if one takes a few minutes for critical assessment of sources. The same dishonest BS is happening now, here.

Jay

Try substituting some thinking in place of these feelings.