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I picked up this 16 gauge hammer gun today. Straight gripper with 65 cm barrels. Found in an attic and it appears to be unfired but has some pinprick corrosion on the outside of the barrels, bores are perfect. Top rib is marked "Acier Cockerill" which I know mean Cockerill steel. Please see large Eagle with crown on the barrel breeches in the first pic, and glyph that's behind the knuckle in the second one. Can anyone please tell me what I have?













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Any other marks, on the flats. etc. ? I don't see any proper Belgian touchmarks.

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Maybe some pre-1923 Italian process/processes marks and trademarks?


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Thank you Raimey, here are additional pics of the barrel flats. Both sides are the same.






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I'd guess the cipher or interlaced characters on the water-table & the flats to be BV, which may be modelled after the British? The chamber info is inverted with the C atop the bore unlike the Belgian and Birmingham stamps. The other mark of Crown over FB/B, encircled or not, seems to mimic the Belgian Crown over encircled & spangled ELB. So maybe some mechanic from an Eastern Block country that sourced components from Liege, w/ the NON POUR BALLE stamp? Haven't a clue on the FP?

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Anyone else leaning toward Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc.?

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Thank you again Raimey. The gun cleaned up well this morning. Both bores are excellent, nice and bright. Interesting, both of them mike out at .682" which is of course a little large for 16 bore, chokes are both 3” long and full tapered without a parallel section at the muzzle. Chokes are both .654 = heavy choking at 28 points of constriction. Chambers measure a full 2-3/4”. Standing breeches show no evidence of ever having been fired. Stock has a “widows peak” type steel buttplate and both screws have squiggle engraving and are timed 12-6 o’clock. As previously written I assume the barrels are 65 cm as they measure a little short of 26”. The barrels are heavily swamped and the stock drop is only 2-3/8”.

The large “eagle” on both breeches seems reminiscent of the Polish Falcon but its head is turned opposite. The crown that’s over the eagle carries over to the top lever where it’s filled with gold. Well, at least 66 of these guns were made as evidenced by its serial number.

Any further ideas on what I have would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all.

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Hum, square crossbolt & is that top rib extension similar to that of Westley Richards? The crowned Imperial Eagle denotes Cockerill steel type. How many points on the crown on the toplever, 8?

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Possibly Zastava? They used an Eagle in some instances, similar to the German and Polish ones. The company was set up by German investors, just like FN. After a quick search I've not come up with an example. Anyone have one?

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9 points on the crowns on the top lever and barrels. That includes both ends. Here's another pic I missed earlier.



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