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Hello there lads, merry Christmas to ye one n all.
I really love this place when everyone is behaving,lol.
I am from across the pond..but live in New Hampshire & to me Antique means 100 years old...I think thats a general rule over here too?
At what time back from 2017 do you consider guns to be Vintage.
I guess Wine freaks call a Vintage when a wine is made from an exceptionally fine year for grapes.
So is "Between the wars" considered the vintage period, as such fine guns were made?
Or do Gun collectors use a cut off period like say 1960
I have one Greener hammergun from 1901, so that's a real antique..also a nice Belgian SLE from 1926...that would count as vintage I'd guess
Just curious about the vintage age thing..I guess Im talking English/European Guns.
Also, when Generations are mentioned, what time spans come to mind?
I've googled this an there doesn't seem to a definite answer..30 -50 years?
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of you blokes..ilove ye all
cheers
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In the general antiquing and collectibles world, doesnt vintage mean 25 years or older?
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BDud..from growing up in an Antique shop family from England, That seems a bit "Light"...as that would be around 1990, that to me is too modern
just my thoughts...but do you agree an "Antique" has to 100 years old?
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i think for guns - the rules are well defined and the "antique" line does not move but then now-a-days - I see some of my old toys in antique shops  so - what do i know
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My understanding of American 'antique' is 100 years. 'Vintage' I guess would be less than 100 years and up to 1940 or WW-2 (to me at least). Most of the American Classic sxs's (Parker, Elsie, Ithaca, Fox, Lefever, Baker, Syracuse) had played out by the end of the war. That's just my thinking...Geo
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In America, antiques are generally considered to be at least 50 years old. "Art Deco" items from the twenties and thirties were being considered antiques in the eighties, as well as other Depression Era articles. "Vintage", specifically for Doubles, is (my opinion) a little more involved, and has to do with design and function as well as age. I'd peg it as 100 years or so old, but in reality I'd tie the difference to pre modern powder guns. It then becomes mainly a design issue, with Vintage doubles being those designed for the Black Powder Era. WWI being a convenient breaking point.
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The BATF: For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Antique Firearms” means any firearm not intended or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898) and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.
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Strange, but I seem to have a problem with any definition of either antique or vintage which is younger than I am...Geo
I don't even like the BATF&E definition or curio or relic!
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Well, if we start with Franc's wine analogy, "vintage" is simply the year it was produced, including possibly 2016. It has nothing to do with "old" or "good".
In other areas, vintage refers to an broader but still identifiable time period, as in "Depression vintage" or "Fifties vintage".
While "vintage" denotes a time period, it could be any time period, rather than connoting a specific minimum number of years old.
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One dictionary definition is this:
vintage-denoting something of high quality, especially something from the past or characteristic of the best period of a person's work.
I think "vintage", as applied to guns, is an overused, and often misused, word, according to the above definition.
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