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I want to explore shell options for use in 2 1/2" chamber guns.

Yes I know I can purchase 2 1/2" shells from RST which I've done in the past. They are very good. But they are quite expensive for me. I could reload the same but I'd have to start from scratch buying a dedicated reloader and supplies.

I see that Herters (Cabelas) sells a a low recoil, low velocity shell (1080) made with Cheddite hulls, but it's 2 3/4" long.

What are the opinions about using these shells for occasional SC, skeet an trap? My 2 1/2" chamber guns all have sufficient measured wall thickness.


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Could you post the link for the Herters low recoil shotshell at Cabelas?


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Scroll down to the bottom here for a few modern load pressures
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F2sQuPm05IE4VWYYnCkvuXmYEzQoWd_SQgaAfUOZEFU/preview

Herters for Cabela’s are by Cheddite and pressures are not reported
http://www.chedditeitaly.com/en/index.php

Scroll down about 1/3 here regarding Bell's long shells in short chambers study
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZIo0y746UsSRZIgRuuxwAbZjSBHitO_EanvwLYc-kGA/edit

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Skeetx:
Here is the link:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Herters-reg-Target-Loads-Per-Case/1545677.uts?searchPath=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FCQ_page%3D0%26CQ_search%3Dherters%252bshot%252bshells%26CQ_st%3Db%26categoryId%3D734095080

They are the 1 oz. LR target loads. No details beyond LR (low recoil?) and velocity of 1060 is given.


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RST @ $10
B&P @ $8

and then Herter's Low recoil at $6

I find the Herter's to have a much sharper recoil than the B&P.
RST has some models that I question their usefulness.

I shoot equal numbers of both Herter's and B&P each year.
I'd say the B&P F2 7/8oz 12ga is about as good a shell as there is for practice. Low recoil, low pressure, good patterns, etc.


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I shoot Caledonion shotshells in either 7/8 or 3/4 ounce in all my English sidelocks. They are available here in the US.
Last qoute I got was $55 plus shippimg.


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Clapper,
Which RST shells do you find questionable? Although I don't use them for target shooting, using Estates and AA's, I haven't been disappointed in the RST's for bird hunting.
I ask in case there is something I'm missing.
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Karl, I've shot a pile of their lightest loads and they were marginal at best. As I recall they were Falcon lites and Ultra lights in 2.5in But hey, it's also market driven.

When you start lowering the payload and the speed to too low a level, you reach a point of diminishing returns.


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To bad more manufacturers don't publish their pressure data. But probably not enough shooters care. I am hoping that lower recoil and slower speed might equate to lower pressure, but maybe not.


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Originally Posted By: muchatrucha
To bad more manufacturers don't publish their pressure data. But probably not enough shooters care. I am hoping that lower recoil and slower speed might equate to lower pressure, but maybe not.


If they did, it would only be good for a week at a time. Powder mixes change, and as long as they meet SAAMI, the manufacturers of "generic" target loads move around I'm told. Most people don't care.
You could always send some to Tom Armbrust. Someone may have already.


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