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Yeh man, when I find me one of them 32" "Long Toms" I be sure to buy it right away. Me not want other kind. You can have them including rare and very expensive 28ga.

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Bob, My son will end up with the M-20. I still remember his first clay target break, H7, and the cloud of ink that had to last a minute. Was just about to grab the barrel before it hit the station 7 window shield. Not sure which of us was more surprised when the gun went off. Two weeks before he turned 7.

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Much as I like the Model 37, I'd have to agree with the choice of the 220 and disagree with Bob: especially for a "kid trainer," the Savage 220 is both a safer and a more practical gun.

Hammer singles don't really prepare a kid to use a double well, since they then need to get used to the tang safety on the double and forget the hammer. That can lead to some early fumbles, which are discouraging.

And hammers for very young (or clumsy) kids can be a menace-- de-cocking a hammer single with a careless, weak, or slippery little thumb can lead to an AD (DON'T ask me how I know this....). And carrying it around cocked is worse ("").

Unfortunately 220s are a lot harder to find than hammer singles and Ithaca's "Lefever Long Range" is even harder (I notice that Henry Repeating Arms is coming out with a line of hammer singles later this spring, BTW).

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I agree about the Savage 220's desirability. I have it in 20 and .410. Time to do the semi-annual re-trot out the crowd pleasing photo of Jaycee's buddy Pato. It's a well-used Russian Baikal single-shot. It is currently made as the MP-18 but no longer imported because of Ukraine issues. I have several of these guns in 20 and .410 and they are rock solid. The safety is on the trigger guard. Another interesting single-shot is the Beretta 412. Variations have been imported by various concerns badged by other companies. The hammerless MP-18 can be found on gunbroker marked as the Remington SPR100. The MP-18 maybe the only low cost single-shot that is hammerless currently manufactured. Gil




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[quote=Mike A.] I disagree with Bob [quote]

It took me two years to learn how to talk and 55 years later I'm still learning how to shut up.

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Speaking of American hammerless singles, I found one made by H&R at a recent local gunshow...Geo


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Yeah, Geo. various US and other mfrs. made them hammerless over the years, but hunters being cheap (I cop to that.) and conservative ("") apparently wanted hammers.... So that's what they, and now we, mostly got.

At one point, I think the 1930s and early '40s, most US mfrs. of single barrel shotguns tried to make an export model in 16 guage for Latin America, mainly with extra-long barrels to accommodate the "rural myth" that they "shoot harder." (The PC explanation for this phenomenon is "hypermasculinity," I believe.).

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I have a "Red Letter" Model 37 in 20 g. that I picked p a number of years ago, but have never shot it.


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The first thing that I have that shows the Harrington & Richardson No. 3 Hammerless is the 1929 Stoeger catalog. Here it is from the 1933 H & R Catalog --



It was still shown in the 1940 H & R catalog, but isn't in the 1949.

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Researcher, thanks for posting the catalog description above. When I bought mine a few months ago, the dealer at the gun-show also had a 10 ga example of the same gun. The 10 had a cut barrel so I did not buy it along with the 16ga.

I noticed that your catalog description did not include a 10 ga gun, and thought the existence of the big gauge might be of interest to you. It may be that the H&R 10 was given a different model designation...Geo

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