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Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of the Ithaca Classic Doubles Shotguns? There are several for sale on the internet now. I have heard that the 471 Series (made in USA) were better than the 470 Series (made in Italy). Any truth to that? Any knowledge or help would be appreciated.
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Beschi versions left a lot to be desired in workmanship.
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IIRC there was some concern over soft parts with the Italian made ones.
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You also have to watch out for the guns made from the rejected parts. You will see them with no name on them. Basic primer is that only look at the ones made in the US. The fit was not as nice on those made in Italy as a general rule. Then there is the suspicion that some of the parts were not up to desired standards. I know someone must have an NID made in Italy which is perfect but the vast majority that I have held are not.
It is a shame really. There was a demand for high grade small bores. But they never were able to get production up to high enough levels to meet it. I would have loved to have a 28 ga. with 30 or better yet 32" barrels. What a dove gun and pen released chicken gun that would have been. I've been looking for a 28 NID with bad barrels to have sleeved. Found one but refused to pay four grand for a gun which needed sleeved barrels, all metal redone and a new stick of wood for a stock.
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This is all good info, and very similar to what I had heard previously. Thanks to everyone for your inputs.
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They were ALL made in the USA, in the sense of final fitting and wood. The question is where the components (actions and barrels) came from. The earlier ones had Italian components. The later ones (471xxx serial number) had Krupp barrels. By that time, the ICD operation really had its act together. Unfortunately, the economy hit a bump at about the same time.
KY Jon, it's been some time now, but I recall seeing a 28ga 4E for sale with two sets of barrels: 30" and 24". Sounded to me like someone ordered one for maybe doves with the long barrels; maybe grouse/woodcock and quail with the short ones. Gave it some thought, and originally Ithaca did make some smallbores with 24" barrels. Saw a very nice graded Flues 20 with 24" barrels I gave some thought to.
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They were ALL made in the USA, in the sense of final fitting and wood. The question is where the components (actions and barrels) came from. The earlier ones had Italian components. They required a lot more shop time in terms of fit than had been anticipated. The later ones (471xxx serial number) had Krupp barrels. By that time, the ICD operation really had its act together. Unfortunately, the economy hit a bump at about the same time.
KY Jon, it's been some time now, but I recall seeing a 28ga 4E for sale with two sets of barrels: 30" and 24". Sounded to me like someone ordered one for maybe doves with the long barrels; maybe grouse/woodcock and quail with the short ones. Gave it some thought, and originally Ithaca did make some smallbores with 24" barrels. Saw a very nice graded Flues 20 with 24" barrels I gave some thought to.
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Interesting to go back to that early ICD discussion. Unfortunate, once the "bugs" were worked out, that the ICD venture didn't continue.
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Steve Lamboy of ICG is now with Zoli. Reach out to him, he will be happy to talk with you.
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