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What a beautiful and perfect pheasant gun. I hope to see some pictures of it in action this fall. Haven't found anything to help ya yet though

This is probably one of the prettiest old hammer guns I've seen. I have nothing to offer as far as identification goes.

Re the "choke" marking on the barrels: In England, that mark first appeared under the revised rule of 1875. That predates the establishment of government proofhouses in quite a few countries. What we're seeing may be "proprietary" proofmarks by a maker before official govt proofmarks were required. Still open to question, however, where that particular maker was located.

PeteM should have an opinion on any Italian similarities:

This one dates to 1930, a Model 1010 Pigeon.


http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=196575&page=1

The Italians did use the term choke & note the reinforcement / adornment on the tubes near the frame. Although another gunmaking center could have easily have adopted such.



Not the exact Sauer trademark as seen @ then of the Krupp Steel type, but Sauer did file for protection in Belgium in 1896 & had tubes rolled there. So the Italians / makers of the subject piece could have easily sourced Sauer sanctioned tubes from Liege.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Larry Clown, I just love it when you say that you are IGNORING me, but then you respond to one of my posts like Pavlov's dogs respond to a buzzer.

Of course, I was mistaken about the inception of choke boring and should have known better since it was a point of contention between W.R. Pape, who patented choke boring in 1866, and Dan Lefever, who claimed to have invented it long before either Pape or Fred Kimball. But certainly, you will concede that Krupp Fluid Steel barrels arrived on the scene much later. Scratch that! I know you concede nothing, and can never admit to being wrong about anything. But thanks for showing us all once again that the IGNORE function apparently doesn't work... At least it doesn't when you can't resist peeking.

Keith as a poster who proudly proclaims you will not use the ignore function, why does it matter to you if someone else does or does not?

Bless your ever positive contributions to our website.

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Welcome to Longwalker, and a note that what you are seeing play out is free speech on our board. Some who post in answer to questions do not always get it right. And as Keith points out some don't know but post as experts, so their advice is worth what you pay.

Keith of course will ensure you hear about the past sins of some posters even though the Second Amendment is not a yet introduced topic in the thread. He is our self appointed guardian. The good news is he is also very knowledgeable on our focus, doubleguns.


Stay on the board long enough you will get to know the personalities of many. Further you will get the chance learn more about doubleguns.

The Rampant Lion is the symbol of the Brescia proof house, though this gun seems to predate National proof rules of Italy in 1923. I find the shaping of the hammers and action very similar to Italian guns of mine. The fences are more elegantly shaped that any other that I have seen, as is the breech reinforcement.
I think the SA mark on the action flats is likely the makers mark.
A lovely find indeed, and an intriguing mystery.

So would you say it is date bound by 1896 - 1923? Have you an similar image of the Rampant Lion on an Italian offering?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Thanks for that contribution Gladys Kravitz, I mean old colonel. To answer your predictably stupid question, I was simply pointing out once again to Larry that he can't bring himself to IGNORE my posts, even though he says he does. Who would've thought you'd stick your whiny hypocritical nose into it? You forgot to mention to Longwalker that you are the nosy, whiny, hypocritical self-appointed thread moderator here. And it's already pretty well established that you don't give a rat's ass about the 2nd Amendment or the trolls who continually work to undermine it. I'm proud to be a guardian of our 2nd Amendment. Someone has to pick up your slack. It's obviously much more important for you to stalk me. You may have noticed that 2nd Amendment threads are pretty much verboten here, so all I can do is remind certain folks like Ed Good about their past anti-gun statements. I know that bothers you immensely, and that fact makes my whole day.

I have Brescia proofed Bernardelli and Armi San Marco hammer guns with a crown over Rampant Lion proof house mark.
Both Wirnsberger and "The Italian Gun" show the Rampant Lion as the Brescia proof house symbol.
The OP's gun shows a much more finely rendered Rampant Lion than the later National Proof Rules mark.
I do not have any difinative proof that this is a Brescia gun.