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BTW Jim, you have my best wishes for a speedy and full recovery!


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Originally Posted By: old colonel
Originally Posted By: Dave in Maine
I remain convinced that Keith and those who poke him with pointed sticks (All of you) are in Bloomberg's employ to generate craptastic posts to make us all look bad. What better anti-gun propaganda than these threads?


So asking for civility is anti-gun?


I think you misunderstood the point of my post. To be clear, "asking for civility" is most certainly NOT anti-gun. Asking for civility is what I was doing. Asking for civility in our forum is taking tools out of the hands of anti-gun propagandists.

By way of example, you'll remember that last year Maura Healy, the anti-gun AG of Massachusetts, declared by fiat that certain models of gun, which had been designed, approved and sold as compliant with Massachusetts law (and were compliant with Massachusetts law), were no longer compliant with Massachusetts law because she said so. As expected, the blogs and chat rooms erupted (among other things). What happened?
The nastiest and most incivil of the commentary was the stuff that got world-wide press. From an article in Britain's Guardian newspaper https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016...an-contribution :

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Healey, who has suffered horrific sexist and homophobic abuse online since she introduced the new ban, said action must be taken to try to save lives. She said 10,000 assault rifles nearly identical to the one used in the attack in Orlando were sold in Massachusetts last year, and sales of the weapons jumped 450% in the wake of the Pulse nightclub massacre.

A person has tweeted that he would like to hire a homeless man to rape and disembowel the attorney general alive. Another is a said to have posted her home address on a gun blog, underneath a commenter has posted: “Road Trip???. Who wants to be a hero?”


The Boston Globe was equally happy to run with even more of the incendiary stuff from the gun chat rooms and paint themselves the victims. https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/0...w7bN/story.html

In other words, when people in spaces like this site fling shit, the antis are only too happy to take it, paint themselves as victims, and raise funds off it. I would not be surprised if the folks who posted some of the really foul stuff about Healy were provocateurs of the kind who wait for the chance to say the kind of stuff which was said and make all of us look bad.

No one goes lurking in 16ga.com to find inflammatory stuff to rally the anti-gunners with. They have a civility code of sorts at 16ga and it works. The people on this site - many of whom are also over at 16ga.com - would do well to emulate their example. Voluntarily. In a fit of common sense. Because they're smart enough to.

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Hmmmmm. Perhaps if those with leftist, socialist, anti-Second Amendment and anti-Constitutional views would offer the board a sincere apology and a full repudiation of their previously held beliefs. That way they could identify themselves as having changed their contemptible, anti-American positions. Then, flaming them would be unnecessary. As it is now, they are merely the "usual suspects" for a pig pile on Keith.

Which of you leftist trolls (or, possibly "former trolls") want to start things off? Change your views and get a little relief from Keith's red hot poker up the back door.

Call me a cynic, but somehow I doubt it will happen.

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Originally Posted By: Dave in Maine
....when people in spaces like this site fling shit, the antis are only too happy to take it, paint themselves as victims, and raise funds off it. I would not be surprised if the folks who posted some of the really foul stuff about Healy were provocateurs of the kind who wait for the chance to say the kind of stuff which was said and make all of us look bad....

....They have a civility code of sorts at 16ga and it works. The people on this site - many of whom are also over at 16ga.com - would do well to emulate their example. Voluntarily. In a fit of common sense. Because they're smart enough to.

Well fling shit on their civility code. Just kidding Dave.

What I'm wondering is if your position and example came from the perspective of a supporter of the Second, or your commitment to the concept of social justice. Does the one world order according to hard lefty euromedia matter a whole bunch? If it does, maybe we should criticize the content of the character of the 'reporting', and include a disclaimer that it's quoted for an agenda?

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Originally Posted By: Dave in Maine
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Originally Posted By: Dave in Maine
I remain convinced that Keith and those who poke him with pointed sticks (All of you) are in Bloomberg's employ to generate craptastic posts to make us all look bad. What better anti-gun propaganda than these threads?


So asking for civility is anti-gun?


I think you misunderstood the point of my post. To be clear, "asking for civility" is most certainly NOT anti-gun. Asking for civility is what I was doing. Asking for civility in our forum is taking tools out of the hands of anti-gun propagandists.

By way of example, you'll remember that last year Maura Healy, the anti-gun AG of Massachusetts, declared by fiat that certain models of gun, which had been designed, approved and sold as compliant with Massachusetts law (and were compliant with Massachusetts law), were no longer compliant with Massachusetts law because she said so. As expected, the blogs and chat rooms erupted (among other things). What happened?
The nastiest and most incivil of the commentary was the stuff that got world-wide press. From an article in Britain's Guardian newspaper https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016...an-contribution :

Quote:
Healey, who has suffered horrific sexist and homophobic abuse online since she introduced the new ban, said action must be taken to try to save lives. She said 10,000 assault rifles nearly identical to the one used in the attack in Orlando were sold in Massachusetts last year, and sales of the weapons jumped 450% in the wake of the Pulse nightclub massacre.

A person has tweeted that he would like to hire a homeless man to rape and disembowel the attorney general alive. Another is a said to have posted her home address on a gun blog, underneath a commenter has posted: “Road Trip???. Who wants to be a hero?”


The Boston Globe was equally happy to run with even more of the incendiary stuff from the gun chat rooms and paint themselves the victims. https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/0...w7bN/story.html

In other words, when people in spaces like this site fling shit, the antis are only too happy to take it, paint themselves as victims, and raise funds off it. I would not be surprised if the folks who posted some of the really foul stuff about Healy were provocateurs of the kind who wait for the chance to say the kind of stuff which was said and make all of us look bad.

No one goes lurking in 16ga.com to find inflammatory stuff to rally the anti-gunners with. They have a civility code of sorts at 16ga and it works. The people on this site - many of whom are also over at 16ga.com - would do well to emulate their example. Voluntarily. In a fit of common sense. Because they're smart enough to.



Dave, I think you have a very good point. Comments can be grabbed from the net, from any of these boards and used however the grabbee wants to use them. I note that none of the comments I can recall reading here stoop to the level of the examples you found.


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BTW Jim, you have my best wishes for a speedy and full recovery!

Thanks CB: I got out of the hospital yesterday.
As an aside: The emergency room staff asked me if I had any weapons? I suspect that my response to that question was heard throughout the hospital and that's when I wasn't hitting on all 8 cylinders! smirk

And as another aside: I posted this on Facebook regarding President Trump's remarks to the NRA and I will share it here:
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Now it's time to undo the damage that been done to the 2nd Amendment since 1934! My recommendation made to President Trump is to establish a blue ribbon panel comprised of ordinary citizen firearms owners and that every piece of legislation from 1934 up through the FOPA act of 1986 be reviewed and abolished to be replaced by a truly responsible single piece of legislation designed to solely keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and those mentally incompetent.
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to be replaced by a truly responsible single piece of legislation designed to solely keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and those mentally incompetent.
Jim

Sorry James, I don't know how that can work. It has been tried to get to that point with all the changes since 1934. The criminals & mentally incompetent are not succumbed to the law, so it has no effect.
The only way that I can see is to set boundaries for behavior & severely punish people who do wrong with a firearm & leave all the innocent out of it.
If wrong doers have no respect, then teach it.
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to be replaced by a truly responsible single piece of legislation designed to solely keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and those mentally incompetent.
Jim

Sorry James, I don't know how that can work. It has been tried to get to that point with all the changes since 1934. The criminals & mentally incompetent are not succumbed to the law, so it has no effect.
The only way that I can see is to set boundaries for behavior & severely punish people who do wrong with a firearm & leave all the innocent out of it.
If wrong doers have no respect, then teach it.
O.M

I agree with much of what you posted. In a free Country this is the only viable approach. Even if the socialists could get their dream legislation, complete and total confiscation, only law abiding citizens would comply. We have to come up with a way of controlling availability to the criminal and the insane.
Universal Concealed carry so these types of individuals wouldn't know where resistance was coming from would be a step in the right direction.
Jim


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Universal Concealed carry so these types of individuals wouldn't know where resistance was coming from would be a step in the right direction.
Jim

Agreed.
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