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Sorry to rehash an old topic. Next season my son will be using a 16ga field grade Flues with steel barrels. I'm looking at buying a case of B&P shells for him. We'll be shooting over dogs, mainly for pheasants, but will probably make a grouse trip or two, and hopefully run into some quail during our pheasant hunts.

Which B&P shell is appropriate for use in his Flues? He's a good shot, so I think 7/8oz. loads would be fine.

Thanks
Ken

Ken, based upon old threads and an older memory bank, I don't believe B&P makes a low pressure load. As I recall, they were on the high end. Hard to beat RST or Polywad in a Flues. Gil
PS: I found a dead link discussing pressures in the 6400 to 8400 range with B&P 2.5" 12 ga. So, I there may be Low pressure shells available in 16 with B&P

Thanks, those were my second choices. Since I shoot reloads in my 12ga guns, I haven't paid much attention to'em. I'm guessing I should go with the 2 1/2" loads. The one major benefit is I'll be able to mix and match within the case as far as shot sizes and Spreader loads. His Flues is choked M/F.

Anyone have pressure data on the B&P 16ga loads?

Thanks
Ken

Ken, translate the bar pressures. Here are the 16 ga. loads, but all seem to be 1 oz. Gil
http://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en/catalogo/cartucce+da+caccia/1/1/16.aspx

Over 10,000 lbs. according to an online convertor. Gil

One oz. is fine, as long as the pressure is low. 700 BAR for the fiber wads, 750 for the plastic ones. Anyone have a link to the conversion formula?

Thanks
Ken

Thanks. It looks like Polywad or RST.

Ken

Even if the B&Ps were at pressures safe for a Flues, there's the matter of 29 gms at 1310 fps. 16 ga Model 12s love B&Ps but Polywads Vintagers and RSTs make better sense for a Flues.

Maybe Drew will make a sticky of what is considered high pressure for each gauge of vintage shotgun?

Hot loads beat old guns to pieces.

1300 fps is not a Vintage friendly load.

I break clays at 50 yards with 1050 fps low pressure shotgun shells throwing 7/8oz. Sometimes I even use 3/4.
I believe the tighter chokes keep the pattern very dense,waaay out there.

In the lightweight frame, fluid steel, Flues 12's, I shoot the B&P Comp1 7/8oz load.

I've never shot the 16 ga offering from B&P, but I do know they will tell you the pressure over the phone if called.

Because of the mechanics of a Flues action, I don't recommend heavy loads through them. You'll have damage in hard to fix places, or various gremlins that are annoying as hell to remedy.

I totally agree with the effectiveness of lower velocity loads. The old adage is hard to prove wrong for shotguns: "Little powder, much lead, shoots far, kills dead".

SRH