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#487561 08/09/17 04:39 PM
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If you wanted a muzzleloading double gun, with cylinder bored muzzles, choked ...... who would you send it to? Orlen?

Thanks, SRH

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I'd send it to Mike and see if he could put in permanent choke tubes.

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Google Danny Caywood Muzzleloading. He has done 2 muzzleloading shotguns for me. Very pleased.
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I'm sure he probably can, but it is such a nice original 16 ga. that I really hate to do anything to it as drastic as tubes, even permanent ones. But, I would really use it a lot more if it had some choke.

And, with a tapered choke which is smaller at the muzzle than the bore you have the problem of sizing your card wads too small when they pass through the constriction. Then, they are loose in the bore and no good. With a jug choke, however, the muzzle is no smaller than the bore diameter. You just enlarge the bore for a short stretch, then it comes back down to bore diameter. The card wads are not downsized then, they stay bore size.

I've read V M Starr, and he had m/l guns choked that would throw 80% patterns with both barrels. I suppose the limiting factor is wall thickness, but if you consider that .015" choke only reduces wall thickness by .0075", you should be able to improve on a gun's range considerably by jug choking, given that it has ample wall thickness. And, there's not much pressure left for the barrels to contain out there.

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I have one breech loading English hammer gun that has about .020 jug choking. It works well. See my PM Stan.


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Originally Posted By: Stan
I've read V M Starr, and he had m/l guns choked that would throw 80% patterns with both barrels. I suppose the limiting factor is wall thickness, but if you consider that .015" choke only reduces wall thickness by .0075", you should be able to improve on a gun's range considerably by jug choking, given that it has ample wall thickness. And, there's not much pressure left for the barrels to contain out there. Thanks, SRH


And I have Cyl choked barrels that pattern 100%. My skeet chokes actually pick up a few extra pellets on the way. That Starr guy should do barrels for the trap shooters - he'd make a million$


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"ALL" barrels will pattern 100%. Some just have to be patterned a lot closer to the muzzle. As I recall Starr was speaking of the standard 30" circle at 40 yds. If that's your criteria sounds as if you should be doing those barrels for the Trap Shooters. 100% from a cylinder bore "Fantastic" (refined version of BS)

Stan; in full agreement if you have the wall thickness then my choice for a ML'er would be the jug chokes due to the loading factor you mention.


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Years ago I read VM's booklet and jug choked a MLing trap gun I made. It works very well. I just did a 1894 Remington and it also patterns just the way I want. For those of you who don't know about Mr. Starr, he won many shoots against modern guns with his muzzle loader. They would shoot at a playing card and see who could get the most BB holes in it. Many times competitors wouldn't shoot if he was in the game that day. Now a days it's quicker and a whole lot easier to put in replaceable chokes. It would be nice if a certain Dr. would refrain from commenting if he doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe you don't know everything and could possible learn something here. Paul

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Originally Posted By: Paul Harm
It would be nice if a certain Dr. would refrain from commenting if he doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe you don't know everything and could possible learn something here. Paul


Hope springs eternal, Paul. I'll keep on the lookout for the revelation.

I an only reiterate that if the guy is that fantastic he has a market out there that will make him a fortune.


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"The Muzzle Loading Shotgun: It's Care and Use" was written in the 60s and is available from Cornell Pubs
https://www.gunauction.com/buy/10206346
He also published "The Muzzle Loading Shotgun: It's Care and Repair"

Starr advertised shotgun boring in Guns Magazine in 1961
http://gunsmagazine.com/1961issues/G0161.pdf

http://home.insightbb.com/~bspen/starr.html
http://home.insightbb.com/~bspen/starr2.html

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