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Ramiey,
I'm not quite sure why you put quotation marks around "real" unless you mean using the crown mark to denote Lindner made guns as opposed to the government using it for it's own purposes.
I have a modest accumulation of Prussian Daly's plus a file of photo's of Daly's that have interested me. After looking at both, all of the Lindner guns marked with with a "crown over crossed sidearms" have only one screw visible on the floorplate. This includes both hammerguns and hammerless.
I don't remember ever having seen the "Crown over HAL". Not saying there aren't any, I just haven't come across one.
I have seen just "HAL" or just "Crossed Sidearms" but never "Crown over HAL" If one is out there, however, I'd bet it was made in 1892.
All of of the post 1892 guns built on the A&D action have only one screw on the floorplate....even an odd ball like my Diamond Quality Hammergun with a Jones underlever and Witten steel barrels has one screw in the floorplate.
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I have a ten gauge with a crown over crossed pistols. I just dated it using info on this site at 1891 or 1892.
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Many thanks Jon S. My findings match yours. I meant to differentiate between those A & D Body Action Charles Daly offerings, and purely Lindner also, from those that do not wear the the Quality Control Mark of Lindner. Also, I'd like to not include those by Golcher, Jakob, etc. for the time being. If you look at the following thread where an A&D Body Action is pretty much summed up by 2 visual screws in the floorplate: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...6270#Post456270"Re: the 2 screws on the belly: It's an easy way to do a quick sort when checking a large gun rack of SXS such as at auctions etc. No screw is WR droplock, 1 screw is sidelock, 2 screws is the remainder." So, why is only 1 visible on the Lindner offerings? Is it an attempt to separate it from all the other typical A&D Body Action offerings or is it a design criteria that sets it apart? The Val. Chr. Schilling offering also has a single visible floorplate screw. Cheers, Raimey rse
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Dukxdog, how did you establish that the more highly engraved gun you picture is from 1912 ?
Serial number, HAL & Crossed pistols marks on barrels and talking with Ken Georgi. Both of my Daly's were made in 1912. The serial numbers are three apart. I'm curious as to your doubts.
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Builder,
Is your 10 ga's serial number 50 numbers either side of 3900?
Just curious,
Jon
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It is a low number, Jon S at 9xx.
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Dukxdog, your more engraved gun was interesting to me for a couple of reasons. The engraving style [scroll] is quite typical of Daly guns found from the 20s. The dog on the bottom is found on guns from the 20s, too. Those 20s guns are date marked. Im away from my pics, so I cant compare guns for a few days, but Ill look more closely when I get to them.
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"So, why is only 1 visible on the Lindner offerings? Is it an attempt to separate it from all the other typical A&D Body Action offerings or is it a design criteria that sets it apart?"
So are the triggerplate and bottom plate one unit?
Is there a screw inside the action securing the bottom plate?
They must have secured it another way.
BTW: That Schilling appears to be built the same way.
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Yeah & I noticed that many of the Suhl & Zella - Mehlis A&D Body Actions have the single screw visible. I'll take one apart & see.
Cheers,
Raimey
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My futile PB attempt:   Cheers, Raimey rse
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