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The markngs are not correct for this gun to be a W Richards (William I seem to recall) of Liverpool. It could be a low grade Clabrough or it could be Belgian, likely Pieper if Belgian. The proof marks will tell the country of origin.


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I have not yet posted any pics, but here is one, Birmingham proofs.

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Your Parker was probably intended for 2 7/8 shells. Back then in America many times the chamber was a 1/8" or so shorter than the shell. It was thought a better seal would be made with the fiber wads.

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I use rst's in mine. 5's will rock a turkey and the 7's and 8's smash clays. I imagine they are pretty openly choked too

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Originally Posted By: 2-piper
The markngs are not correct for this gun to be a W Richards (William I seem to recall) of Liverpool. It could be a low grade Clabrough or it could be Belgian, likely Pieper if Belgian. The proof marks will tell the country of origin.


I am having issues posting photos here. I have posted several photos of the gunon the Parker Collectors site, under the “other fine doubles” forum topic W. Richards Liverpool 10.

The gun is definitely a Birmingham gun, as I have posted no photos of it here, I dont know what markings you find incorrect?


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Originally Posted By: Terry Lubzinski
huntermn, If your W.Richards is the W.Richards of Liverpool,you have a gun by a very good English maker.I have a W.J.Jeffrey & Co.
10 bore hammergun that weighs 11 lbs. 2 oz. with 33" damascus barrels that was chambered for 3 1/4" 10 bore Perfect cases,(engraved on the underside of the barrels),which were thin brass cases that took 9 bore wads and the gun according to "The Gun and It's Development"by W.W.Greener,was proofed for a service load of
4 1/4 drams of black powder and 1 5/8 oz of shot.The proof load was 8 1/2 drams of black powder and 2 1/8 oz. of shot.The gun was built in 1896.The bore dimension at proof was stamped 10/2 which is almost 9 bore.Very big difference between the load of a 2 5/8 shell (1 1/8 oz.) and the magnum wildfowler.


Wonder what the pressure of that load was?? Do you shoot an equivalent load in your gun??


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In order to make the gun much more user friendly as regards reloading and shooting the gun,and because the action is almost as large as a double 8 bore,with a Jones underlever,and over 40 thou minimum barrel wall,I opted for rechambering the gun to 3 1/2" and having it magnum nitro proofed in Birmingham at 1200 Bars.Technically it should handle 3 1/2" lead factory loads,which are usually 2 1/4 oz., but I currently am reloading 1 1/2 oz.bismuth which it handles with ease.


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What was the cost, and the complcations of having the gun reproofed??


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Some time back I read an account of this, written by the William Richards Company of Liverpool themselves. Unfortunately I did not save it.

Bottom line was "IF" it was made by W Richards of Liverpool, there will be no question as to its origin. If there is a question it was not made in Liverpool.

The "London Fine Twist" marking is not correct for a Liverpool gun. It would be correct for either a Birmingham proofed J P Clabrough or a Belgian Pieper gun.


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