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Look at the convert-a-stock pad system from Meadow Industries. I use these often on guns that have too much drop. The height of the comb is adjustable by the thickness of the spacer you put under the leather like pad that velcros to a velcro adhesive pad on either side of your stock. No need for bending, and the pads can easily be remove with a little fingernail polish remover; polish the stock with a little Tre-wax and you never know they were there if you decide to sell the gun. you can also add a little cast off if needed by placing the spacer under the leather like comb pad a little to the left. http://www.meadowindustries.com/gunstocks.html#convert
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I've been following this discussion with some interest because i have a habit of keeping my head too high on unexpected flushes of wild birds. So, perhaps 3" drops would be good for me, at least sometimes.
But this brings me to how do most people actually measure drop? To my way of thinking it is done from the centerline of the bores, but from a pragmatic point of view, I strongly doubt that is how it done in practice by an auction house or online dealer.
I would guess most listed guns with whatever drop at heel and comb are measured by putting a yard stick along the rib and measuring down from that. Is that the actual convention?
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Drew, Thanks for posting. What I find interesting is the fact that actual proportions were considered when combining the drop at comb as well as heel. I've seen so many that were considerably disproportionate. Karl
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Fred Gilbert (1865-1928) was one of the world’s best Live Bird and Inanimate Target shooters from 1895-1915. After he used a L.C. Smith to win the DuPont World’s Pigeon Shooting Championship in 1895 and the “E.C.” Inanimate Target Championship Cup in 1896, orders flooded Hunter Arms for the “Fred Gilbert Specifications”: drop at comb of 1 3/8 inches; at the heel, 2 inches; length from trigger to heel, 14 1/4 inches; trigger to toe 14 1/2 inches; and trigger to center of butt 14 inches; with a full pistol grip and 30-inch full choke barrels. 120 years ago and very similar to today's target gun dimensions + a bit more LOP as we've grown a bit; in height and around the middle
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You don’t see all that many 100 yo English guns with 3” drop at heel (although I’ve seen a few)....it’s primarily the old American made guns with that much drop.
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O.K, though I prefer a lot more drop than most people I found that these so called "modern" dimensions predate the breechloading era by a long way. I own a late double flint gun made by W.H. Wilson, London (probably made by Alexander Wilson, late ofJoseph Manton). Most likely made 1815-1825.
The stock measures: Length of pull--14 1/4" Drop at comb--1 5/8" Drop at heel--2" Weight--7 lbs 1 oz. 30" 16 gauge barrels Balances 5 5/8" in front of trigger.
Remarkable to realize the double gun had reached its zenith of development 200 years ago!
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I have a lot tougher time shooting 2" DAH than I do shooting 3" DAH.
That said, nobody fears me at the range with my Nitro, that is around 2 7/8ths DAH. I get a real bird with it, here and there. But, I suck shooting clay targets with it.
Someone above posted a point about pitch, something I have found to be pretty important for me to have some kind of success when shooting. I prefer between 1" and 2" measured pitch, and if it sneaks out much beyond 2", the gun starts to kick too much.
Joe, I'd not be too intersted in a 16 gauge double at 7 lbs. My 12s are all around 6 lbs. These are hunting guns, not clay target guns. If I am going to shoot 100 rounds of clays, I likely use a pumpgun.
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Just a quick follow up. I finally got the Parker (2 7/8" drop) and the Fox (3" drop) to the range and I had no trouble hitting with either. The 30" Parker was one of the easiest shooting SxS's I've ever shot. I did have the butt of the Fox slip down on recoil a couple times, but that was the only negative.
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