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An indicator of how well the CSMC M21's will be accepted by collectors would be how folks now view the Parker Reproductions. I am not in that loop. But compare what a Browning made (in Japan) Model 12 28 ga. brings compared with the Real McCoy. Gil
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I think the CSMC 21's are best suited to fondle and admire. and brag about having when you get a chance to show one off, either in front of your shooting buddies or on an internet site, rather than shooting to any extent. Lou @ CSMC discouraged me from ordering one several years ago.
JR I'd be curious to know why you feel these guns are not well suited to shooting. I guess I mistakenly ordered mine with firing pins. Please expound. Bob, please note I said "shooting to any extent". If you only put 100 or so rounds a year through one, you're probably ok. But thousands, not so much. They are not reliable. Pretty, but trouble. Kind of like an XKE with Lucas electricals. JR
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People who've had troubles have plastered their predicaments all over the internet. To deny that is folly.
I can't tell if the % is the same as competing firms. But it doesn't "seem" so.
There's about $20K in reasons I ordered a pair of Miroku's in lieu of a pair of CSMC Revelations.
Out there doing it best I can.
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I think the CSMC 21's are best suited to fondle and admire. and brag about having when you get a chance to show one off, either in front of your shooting buddies or on an internet site, rather than shooting to any extent. Lou @ CSMC discouraged me from ordering one several years ago.
JR John, Definitely agree with your comments. And admire you for your honesty in making them. Fortunately my nightmare is behind me. But it sure would have saved me and numerous of my friends much grief (and wasted dollars) had Lou discouraged us. Tim http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=437797
Last edited by Tim Wolf; 03/20/18 02:44 PM.
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Tim, after your ordeal I bet there are two parties that wished you hadn't bought the gun; CSMC and you. A personal financial disaster for you and a PR nightmare for them of their own making. That gun had a minimum of 28 trips in a UPS buggy and could probably "kennel up" into the truck on command. Gil
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A lot of comments and insight. When I was at CSMC last September, my focus was on the A10, I spent a good 2 plus hours there and I glanced over there sxs model 21. I know the sales rep was pushing me towards there model 21 over and under grand American which I had no interest in. I'll be back up in that neck of the woods in June, so I'll sneak away and take a closer look at there 21 sxs.
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I own and shoot several Winchester 21's.....the only issues that have come to light has been a couple of 21's that some shade tree blacksmith had been inside and screwed the trigger up. I've been around several people who purchased CSMC 21's and had more problems with them than they should have. These were early CSMC 21's and maybe the quality control improved.
In my humble opinion, you cannot compare John Olin's Winchester 21's to Tony's; the Winchester 21 is an American classic and the CSMC 21's haven't been around long enough to qualify as such. I would rather have a pre-war 21 (or even late 40's to 50's) than a brand new CSMC 21; the Winchester has some experience - some stories it can never tell, but stories I can wonder about. Having said that, if Mr. Cash would like to gift me with one of his CSMC 21's for Father's Day, I would certainly shoot it all summer and next fall and present a full report on the gun in this forum. LOL
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Read Tim Wolf's posts on this link to the SSM Forums, and read the linked thread on shotgunworld, which he provided, for a better explanation. He sent me a complete report, with pictures, of the issues he had with the gun and with CSMC, at my request. I would never repost it without his permission, but it is very eye-opening. Everyone with an interest in CSMC's guns should read this, IMO. https://bbs.shootingsportsman.com/showthread.php?7314-CSMC-New-Gun/page2 SRH
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