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Mainly a pinfire cartridge and pistol collector but picked this one up recently and thought I would share it!

I would like to better date it and figure out what the other proofs are.









Some info from Guillaume Van Mastrigt says that

The broken gun with the LF logo inside a rectangle with a rounded edge was used by Casimir Lefaucheux until his death. Then his wife used it until selling the rights to the name, Lefaucheux and the logo to her son-in-law, Laffiteau in 1859.

In Nov. 1865 Laffiteau filed for new trademarks with the LF and the word Lefaucheux.


So this gun was either made (or sold by) before 9 Aug 1852, by Casimir Lefaucheux
after 9 Aug 1852 and before 1859 by Casimir's widow
or after 1859 and before Nov 1865 by Laffiteau.

The other marks make it more interesting.



There is a FASSIN



Which is potentially FASSIN-RONGÉ of Quai Davroy, 582, LIEGE, cira 1836 - 1888



And an L, which could be anything; Lefaucheux, Laffiteau, etc



And a JLR which is maybe ROUMA LJ. ?



And a 1244 which appears on the barrel and the receiver (under the LF 2773)



Anyone have any thoughts or comments?

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Here are a couple more pretty pictures too





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Pretty neat. I don't see any true Proofmarks but mainly touchmarks. I can't tell on the LLF but it seems to me it reads LL? or LF w/ another odd character?


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Very elegant looking shotgun!
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That is a fine looking piece - elegant is the appropriate word. Well, I'll likely get myself contradicted quickly. But it was my understanding that Casimir Lefaucheaux was a Parisian firm and originally used barrels from Leopold Bernard. A Paris proof house mark exists but it is almost never seen. In the line on dating early 20th Century Saint Etienne shotguns, I translated a letter from Didier Drevet to a Haut Loire newspaper in 1878 (after the Paris Universelle Exposition), in which he complained mightily about the laxity of Parisian standards, their use of Belgian gun parts and their lack of a proper proof house to regulate things saying essentially that it wasn't fair that Saint Etienne guns had to be proofed while the Parisians just skipped the whole process. I don't think it was until 1885 that regulations on proofing guns nationwide in France were passed and it wasn't mandatory until after WWII. In other words, I speculate that you're unlikely to see any real proof marks on a Parisian Lefaucheaux from this era.

I would be very tempted to post your gun on the French gun chat site " https://www.chassepassion.net/forums. You'd be almost guaranteed to get a good answer.


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Here is a similar Casimir Gun with St. Etienne proofs: http://s144812367.onlinehome.fr/fusil-lf-2164-de-casimir-lefaucheux

And thanks for that forum link. I'll check it out!


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Sure it's similaire but not the same Patent

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Yeah that was mainly just showing that there are Casimir guns with proof marks.

Additionally, do you know what patent mine follows? Would you need to see under the locks?

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The patent 8955 of the 22 nov 1849 seems to be an improvement of yours.
On your shotgun you've to take the pin out to separate the barrels from the breech .
With patent 8955 you don't need any tools to take them off.


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Yes, please take the barrels off and show me the éventual proof marks

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Thanks.

And every time I try to remove that pin I just feel like I am pounding a hole into the gun and don’t want to ruin it.

Have any tips? Same for my pistol I showed you.

Is there a certain side? Is the pin the tiny part in the middle of the circle or is it the whole circle? Etc?


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