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Lot #163 of the recent Gavin Gardiner auction is a good sample of gun built to Dig Hadoke's Theory. The gun is a BV1-OQ1 gun with replaced barrels and a replaced stock. CC7 is "Shootable but needs expensive repairs or restored with stock and barrels replaced." My charts show a BV1-OQ1-CC7 = $6196. The gun hammered at 8,000 BPS; 1.4 exchange rate makes it $11,200 and 30% buyers premium plus shipping makes it $14,800. It takes CC5 (Minor repairs needed or proper restoration accomplished - OE barrels and stock) to CC4 (heavy use but no abuse) to make that much money.
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DDA, regarding the offerings from the Little British Isles, I was always told that if you have the frame & forend iron one could do a total renovation & call it as new?
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Raimey
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With an airplane the only thing required by law to be original is the serial number plate. Every piece on the plane other than the small plate can be a replacement and it is still recognized by the FAA as being the factory airplane.
When an old man dies a library burns to the ground. (Old African proverb)
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DDA,
The new barrels are from the maker, in this case Purdey. The new stock is from someone else--the description doesn't specifically state to Purdey standards, but it looks well done. Can you find another Purdey with new barrels for $14K?
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I feel the pain of the dealer who recently sold me a high condition 1911 bar in iron hammer Purdey pigeon gun, original Whitworth 30" barrels. Lucky for me he probably does not visit this site. Regardless of my good buy, I see many items on Gardner and Holt's that I would buy if I could take them home in the back of my truck, same day as the purchase.
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Lot #163 of the recent Gavin Gardiner auction is a good sample of gun built to Dig Hadoke's Theory. The gun is a BV1-OQ1 gun with replaced barrels and a replaced stock. CC7 is "Shootable but needs expensive repairs or restored with stock and barrels replaced." My charts show a BV1-OQ1-CC7 = $6196. The gun hammered at 8,000 BPS; 1.4 exchange rate makes it $11,200 and 30% buyers premium plus shipping makes it $14,800. It takes CC5 (Minor repairs needed or proper restoration accomplished - OE barrels and stock) to CC4 (heavy use but no abuse) to make that much money.
Input requested.
DDA RM -- I find it a bit distressing that your formulae do not include a factor for 'magic'. when I pick up a gun and discover the wonderful handling and fit that lights me up. THAT is where the value is determined. For me at least.
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DDA, regarding the offerings from the Little British Isles, I was always told that if you have the frame & forend iron one could do a total renovation & call it as new?
Cheers,
Raimey
rse Interesting take on this point. My market charts say the market doesn't agree with what you were told. On the other hand, I'm interested to see if there are some points that need refining. DDA
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DDA,
The new barrels are from the maker, in this case Purdey. The new stock is from someone else--the description doesn't specifically state to Purdey standards, but it looks well done. Can you find another Purdey with new barrels for $14K?
Ken Jason Abbot's is well respected for being capable of very good work. I'm curious if "barrels by the maker" is different from "barrels by another." And the same for the stock. How much more for "stock by maker"? DDA
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I feel the pain of the dealer who recently sold me a high condition 1911 bar in iron hammer Purdey pigeon gun, original Whitworth 30" barrels. Lucky for me he probably does not visit this site. Regardless of my good buy, I see many items on Gardner and Holt's that I would buy if I could take them home in the back of my truck, same day as the purchase. Yes, it is "very inconvenient" to pay buyer's premium, dealer fees, and shipping? Many is the unwary who has learned the hard way that hammer price is not what you pay in the end. DDA
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RM -- I find it a bit distressing that your formulae do not include a factor for 'magic'. when I pick up a gun and discover the wonderful handling and fit that lights me up. THAT is where the value is determined. For me at least.
Actually, C, I do believe in magic guns. Unfortunately it is factual that no one gun is magic for all shooters. Rather, guns seem quite selective upon whom they shower their magic. This leads me to the conclusion that the closer a given gun's stock dimensions, handling dimensions, feel dimensions, aesthetics, etc. fit the shooter the more likely the gun is to become magical. DDA
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