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#517426 07/03/18 02:11 PM
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Hi All,
What would your ideal next gun buy real or imaginary be heres mine influenced by handling a William Powell single Damascus barrelled 20 bore at the weekend.
Single 30 inch Damascus barrelled 1/4 choked with spare steel steel proofed barrel with Teague thin wall tubes. Both barrels with a minimal Boss style rib.
Forend would have a Deeley catch. Boxlock or round actioned with wild game engraved on the action ,wisp of snipe spring of teal and a Roding woodcock. Id have a rabbit engraved on the trigger guard and the top lever with a pink foot goose engraved into it.
Id have a capped Prince of Wales gripped stock not too fancy but with nice colour and straight grained.
My next buy after that would be a Dickson round action from the 1920 s .
What would your ideal buy be?

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My ideal gun is a 16ga weighing 6lbs, straight hand grip, splinter forend, double triggers, 27inch barrels, balancing 2 1/2 to 2 3/4 inches in front of the forward trigger. I prefer a push button release, but either that or a Deely is ok. I have several SLEs and BLEs near matching this overall description.

I almost exclusively hunt upland birds (roughshooting). My duck gun is a 12ga M21 beaten thing.

My next or near to last purchase will either be a Round action matching this or another Schoffeniels engraved gun. I really the Belgian style engraving. Though a recently acquired Manufrance Ideal, might fill that round action niche.


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Oh such a fun topic as I'm constantly assessing and re-assessing what I'd like to add next to the group.

I'd like to find a 16 gauge Lindner Charles Daly Diamond Quality model 225? (extractor, no gold inlay, multiple game scenes) with 28" barrels, chokes on the tighter side and a POW style grip at a price I could afford (Won't be happening anytime soon).

Or a Manufrance Ideal 6R EE, without the through lumps, in 16 gauge from the early 1920's sporting 28" barrels with engraving by the same hand that did my 12 gauge (I look but I can't find).

Or an Fox A grade extractor in 16 gauge done in the early style A grade engraving, which I've come to like better than the later style. Very clean and simple and allows, IMHO, the quality and beauty of the CCH, the barrel bluing and the wood to take precedence.

Those are what I go to sleep dreaming about.


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Well, I can tell you what my next real one will be. I sent the check Priority Mail this morning to have a double specially built in Italy. It is going to be a FAIR Iside Tartaruga Gold .410, ejectors, custom LOP (14 3/4") and DAH (2 5/8"). Thirty inch tubes and double triggers. The triggers and the custom stock dims were extra cost. I sent it Priority so, hopefully, they can get it done before August, when they all go on vacation for a month. I could have had a standard one with single trigger and standard dims in a couple weeks, but it's time to have one exactly like I want it.

Still on the search for the Ideal .410 dove gun. This may be it.

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Interesting that the first guns mentioned are both 16 bores. I owned a 16 bore George Coster of Glasgow Boxlock built in the 1920s,engraved by Harry Morrison its original case with original oil bottle. It weighed dead on 6 lb and swung well. Unfortunately a small mark in the chamber turned out to be rusting coming from under the ribs. Fortunately the dealer returned my money and had the gun resleeved,it then sold for just over half what I had paid I was tempted but didnt buy. Id like the chance to buy another as ther were few George Coster guns built and he was local to me. Graham Mackinlay has a Coster side lock for sale but at around 6500 just a little too pricey for me.
Stan I have never owned a .410 just an adapter for a single barrel 12 bore when I was younger ,the single barrel 20 bore I handled at the weekend weighted only 4lb 8oz and felt sweet so maybe I should be checking out 410s perhaps an old rook rifle conversion. Your latest gun sounds like a good buy nice long barrels and double triggers how will you have it choked or are multi chokes standard ?

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Multi-chokes are standard with this particular gun, Konor. I have several .410 doubles, two of which are 30" barreled ejector guns, but none have screw-in chokes. I am mostly a conventional guy when it comes to chokes, and usually prefer fixed chokes, but I am thinking I need to give the screw-ins a try on this one. It's a pretty little thing in the pics. That tiny pierced top lever is just dog nuts, is it not?

http://www.italianfirearmsgroup.com/fair/details/iside-tartaruga-gold

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Canvasback and old colonel I owned an unnamed 16 bore proofed in Ferlach it had short 26 inch barrels or probably a close metric equivalent. Nice carved engraving of roe deer hares and foxes it had a stout recoil which I tamed with a thick sorbothane pad. It didnt cost too much and a friend with only one arm shot it well but I eventually traded it for a 20 bore classic doubles 101 Skeet gun for my son which he still has.

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Hi Stan very nice looking gun am I mistaken or are the weights quoted down to 5 or 6 decimal places . Is 5 1/2 lbs about right for the .410. The pierced top lever is a nice touch and I like the chequering. I have a 6 lb ish 20 bore Orvis uplander based on the onyx 686 but with upgraded straight grip wood. Single trigger and strangely balances very similarly to a model 12 20 bore pump action I used to own ,both great guns. I wish I had an old A5 in 20 bore but they are extremely hard to find over here.

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Konor, I have a number of 16 gauge guns, although I have sold a few as well. Love the gauge when they are done right. Probably the main reason my list was all 16 gauge is that I have more of what I'm after already in 12 gauge.

I have a J & W Tolley 12 gauge single barrel. 29" barrel and straight stock so not quite what you wish for but it does have the Deeley latch. Choke is quite open, around IC and the gun weighs 5 pounds even. In fantastic original condition. I love it.


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K, Like Canvasback I own other SXS gauges, 12x2, 20x2, 24x1, but 16 is my dominate and favored gauge with 7 SXS 16s in the cabinet.

Over the years I have brought, traded, and sold about about 35 other 16s and 3 12 gauges not including the ones on hand now; almost all of which were low end field grade stuff.

Once you have gotten used to 16 gauge guns as your primary the rest seem to fall off in use. Not to mention once you are heavily invested in reloading 16 gauge and in stocking 16 gauge ammo.

I do not believe any is inherently better than the other when used within its limitations, I am just use 16 the most and am therefore most comfortable with it.


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