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When you buy your .410 forget about getting a full choke, dont even think about it! I think that one reason so many people despise .410s is from their childhood experiences shooting a full-choked single barrel .410 as their first gun, thats a combination thatd make anyone hate the gun. In my opinion modified is as tight as youll ever need. For the .410s Ive owned its always been either open or skeet in my right barrel and IM or modified in my left barrel.

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PS KY Jon posted his thread while I was posting mine. I can see we disagree on full chokes which is okay, whatever works best for him and we agree about the too-tight pattern close in. However, it's been my experience that a modified will consistently throw a good pattern out to 30 yards and give you better patterns closer in. However, after 30 yards forgetaboutit! BTW I have some photos of patterns I shot at 50', 75' and 90' however, if I posted the photo's people would go blind trying to see them (I should've circled the hits with a marking pen).

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Originally Posted By: PALUNC


Been thinking for awhile on picking up a 410 for dove shooting and maybe some occasional clays.

I would be looking in the 2 - 3 K range.

I have shot a Model 42 with a full choke at doves before but wonder what others may think would be a better suggestion.
Interested in knowing what you guys have tried and is a proven winner.




Dance with who brung ya.... your Model 42 is one of the best for your purpose.

You might want to think about sinking your funds into an upgrade to a vent rib Model 42 Deluxe Gun (if it's a field grade)

I have one of the Miroku/Browning Model 42 clones - it's a sweet shooter, and not hard to look at, either. laugh


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Unless you're a long time pump-gunner, I would stay away from the little model 42, sweet as it is.
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Rockdoc, the difference between Mod and Full in a .410 is .005-.007 at best according to Briley who make most of the choke tubes today. Winchester were known for boring their guns slightly more open and Browning more tightly. If you measure factory 42 chokes they are all over the map. Perhaps because owners opened them up over the years, perhaps they started more open then we expect, I just dont know. I have several 42, both mod and full with chokes which differ by as little as .003. I know you pattern you guns to see real performances and so do I. And if you want to see peoples eyes glass over talk about ten patterns of each load. I think most of these shooters think being able to hit a sign, along the side of the road, is still a good way to check both POI and pattern.

As to starting a new shooter out with a .410 I am in agreement with those who feel any .410 for a new shooter will frustrate them too quickly regardless of the choke. Better to use a 20 or 28 with 3/4 ounce shot, to have a working pattern, for high number of breaks. Plus 20 ammo is cheaper than .410. I started out with a 28 and so did all my kids.

I do see a few old farts who seem to preach that the .410 is capable in all hunting situations. It clearly is not in my mind. It handicaps a good shooter, makes him work harder to remain as good as others using bigger bores. With a 12 gauge, in early season I probably could shoot my limit with 15 shells. Birds are easy until they get educated. I shoot .410 to make it last and to challenge myself to shoot better. If fact you need to restrain yourself to taking better shots with a .410 because it is not the equal of its bigger brothers. If you can do that with a Mod or Full choke gun more power to you.

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A second on the Dickenson Estate. Mine in .410 is a hoot to shoot. Adult dimensions really help here. Good ammo is also critical.

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" I shoot .410 to make it last and to challenge myself to shoot better".
Challenging oneself to shoot better is indeed a good point. My question though is of the misses with a .410 how many of them flew off with a shot or two from the weak fringe of a .410's pattern.

I have not done that much pattern testing with a .410 for I never had a desire to use one. I have however observed the pattern test which the Rifleman has posted over many years in trying new guns. The .410 patterns virtually always have strong central thickening with sparse fringes. This is directly opposite of my most desirable pattern. I fully realize it is impossible to obtain but if I could get it I would take a pattern with absolute uniformity over the entire pattern where every shot would result in either a clean kill or total miss.

I therefore do not hunt with a .410, period.


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Also would like to know if you guys shoot the little 2 1/2" shells at doves or stick mainly to the 3" ones.
I have considered looking at the new SKB 410's as my club, Deep River Sporting handles the SKB guns.
I realize most American side by side 410's were made on the 20 gauge frame.


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I find my 2 1/2 ammo works great for close in doves.
First is an old small frame Browning Superposed with 410 barrels, skeet choked



Second is the Tristar Brittany, IC screw-ins, a Fausti, and a Crescent, all in 410.



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My experience mirrors Jon's.

Here are some measurements I've taken. The "mod" 42s have between 0.005" and 0.007" constriction. The skeet guns range from 0.003" to 0.011" (yup). Full choke bbls have 0.016" to 0.020".

My repro came to me with Briley CTs. We don't shoot doves, but have an idea it would work just fine. Son and I use it for SC - mostly with the 0.014" IM. Repros are anything but whippy. Couple of repros took CH and RU at the ME state NSCA few years back. We sometimes use it in "Fluff" 12 ga events.

Field use in Maine translates as grouse/WC. I've used skeet/mod guns. In my hands, the full guns add nothing useful for those birds inside 25 yds. The 3" loadings are diverse; it pays to try different brands on the pattern board. For guns with less constriction try RP 3" #7.5s first.

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Also would like to know if you guys shoot the little 2 1/2" shells at doves or stick mainly to the 3" ones.

I shoot 2-1/2" hard 8s, FullxMod, sometimes 7-1/2s if there is a breeze. Can't remember the last time I put a 3" shell in the gun.

FYI, my Uggie SxS from Aspen Outfitters is marked ICxMod but it mics at 11 and 17 thousandths. Seems like a good combo for doves. I never mic'd my other .410s, just put in the Full and Mod chokes and left them there.

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