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Benelli ads are now featuring a racy new model.

Maybe Beretta marketing folk felt they had to respond in kind?

Aha. You confused me a bit, Miller, because the first sentence--the one in quotes--contradicts what follows. Although you did use quotation marks, nowhere in your post did you attribute it to Wonko (or anyone else). Always good, for clarity's sake, to make clear who it is you're quoting. As you did, above.

As for the top lever and A&D thing: In view of the fact that you have to look fairly hard (and mostly to France) to find ANY double, OU or SxS, that opens via any means other than a top lever--and given that top levers are used on "bests"--that would seem to indicate that it has been generally accepted as the best system. And given both the longevity of the A&D coupled with numbers produced, while there are certainly other actions that are at least as good (if not better), it's sufficient to prove to me that, like Fords vs Rolls, while the A&D may not be the best, it is an excellent combination of reliability coupled with a price that's well within reach of the majority of sxs buyers.

Now the brilliant ex-CIA Intelligence Analyst Larry Clown is telling us he couldn't see that Miller was responding to Dr. Wanker's post that was critical of the side lever opening system. It couldn't be any more evident, but we all know that Larry can never admit being wrong, even if it means showing us that he is stupid as well.

Larry's second paragraph above seems to be confusing "Best" guns with what are regarded as best systems for the masses... even though Miller took the time to explain that to him too. But what can you expect from someone who obviously does most of his shooting with a typewriter or keyboard.

With Larry as an Intelligence Analyst, and rocky mtn bill as a teacher, it's no wonder we've had the Chinese and dozens of other countries eating our lunch on bad trade deals, and we're allowing Mexico to invade our country without firing a shot.

Egads. Still too jangly. If you are going to play guitar.... you �gotta make it cry or sing.


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Best,
Ted

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Try 1,000 years ago.

The first device identified as a gun, a bamboo tube that used gunpowder to fire a spear, appeared in China around AD 1000.

The Chinese had previously invented gunpowder in the 9th century (AD 800-899).

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I knew about all that Chinese and Italian crap people refer to as guns.

When I think gun I think of the English flint and cap locks followed by the cartridge.

A former Co-worker of mine quite commonly made the statement "That's Why They Make Chocolate, Vanilla & 29 Other Flavors". Bottom line is Everyone simply does not like the same things. I bought my first double 64 years ago. From that day to this every double I have hunted with has had a top lever. I have absolutely Nothing against a top lever, but Rest Assured it is not the only one that is useful, efficient & easy to operate. Why did it superceed all other designs. To be honest I don't know, but it wasn't because it was that much Superior to all others & you can Take That to the Bank.

On Feb 1 1876 W Anson & J Deeley was issued US patent #172,943 for a Hammerless Cocking Mechanism & Lock. Was it a good design. Well its still around so apparently many people thought so. Is it "MY" favorite; "NO".

I like my old J P Clabrough sidelock or any of my Lefevers better. I find them just as reliable & far more Aesthetically Pleasing. Are these "Best" guns, no, but they suit me to a T. These are all more than 100 years old, some up to around 125 years old. They are still kicking rather high, much more so than me I am afraid. I have owned an A&D type gun, not a WR though. Was it good, Yes, but I like these others better.

In an 1895-96 Clabrough, Golcher & Co catalog the Clabrough like mine was priced @ $50.00. This was comparable to a #2 L C Smith, PH Parker, G Lefever, #2 Ithaca, A Remington, or B Baker. To keep an even comparison all are non-ejectors.I will say that of all these guns in this price range the Clabrough is the better engraved & few if any of them would I say were better built or fitted.

For a knock-about single the thumb push opener on late H&R's is convenient. Their Transfer Bar is a nice safety feature, but poorly designed. Several years back when I engaged in some part time gunsmithing I always kept several of these in stock. Have no idea how many of them I replaced. They used only one leg to function the bar & after a bit of use it broke off. There was plenty of room in the action to have put a leg on both sides which likely would have made them about 500% stronger, but would have cost a few cents more to make.

Conclusion of the whole matter is there Ain't No Perfect Mechanism I don't care what field you are in. All are compromises to some extent or the other.
No two people value the exact same things. Just because I say something is Not My Favorite is not to say it is Altogether Bad.

Larry is this written plain enough that even you can understand it??

I have my doubts Mr.Miller....

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Here's a pair of Stephen Grant Sidelevers ca. 1890



Someone please remind me why we don't like these guns.

Beautiful guns. Though indeed a pair, not a matched pair, I would assume. Strange that they are so alike except for the sculpting of the lock panels and drop points on one, and none on the other. Also, the top one appears to have been sleeved to a smaller gauge?

Thanks for the pic, Bob. Your guns?

SRH