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I just carried three shotguns to Canada in a Pelican case. United in Jacksonville, FL pulled a new one on me this time.
I had the six closures secured with TSA combination locks. The locks did not tightly close on the closures. TSA opened all six of the closures and even though the locks were all still in place, they were able to crack the case open very slightly, certainly not enough to get a gun out. They pronounced that if they could get one finger into the case and TOUCH a gun they wouldn't ship it.
I solved the problem by locking two additional locks into the locks already on the case in order to tighten the loop up enough that they could not get a finger in. Seems arbitrary to me...Geo
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Seems arbitrary to me...Geo Why should that surprise you - they are government employees.
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I wonder how many "incidents" have occurred with checked firearms while the firearm is in the possession of the airlines?
Just how many times have passengers either jumped onto the tarmanac and grabbed firearms from a locked case and caused an incident, or crawled down intoi the luggage hold and obtained a checked firearm and caused issues?
My question is what is the actual risk(s)these procedures, especially TSA inspection of the checked firearms in locked cases,designed to prevent? I can speculate, but does anyone know the actual reason ing behind the policy?
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How about so your guns won't be stolen by a baggage handler and you get an empty gun case at your destination?
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How does the TSA people looking at the guns, then locking the cases back, help your gun not get stolen by a baggage handler? Marshgrass said that the case was locked to begin with, but he questioned the purpose behind the inspection of the guns inside the case. Every time that case is unlocked it allows a greater chance of thievery, even if it is TSA personnel.
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Last edited by Stan; 10/22/18 09:52 PM. Reason: clarification
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Stan,
I agree with his (and your) questioning that aspect of the silly criteria that being able to open the case while locked to a small gap is a problem. Of course, if someone did unlatch your Pelican case but it was still locked I would not want to see that firearm after being rattled around in the hold. I really was responding to the statement:
"Just how many times have passengers either jumped onto the tarmanac (sic) and grabbed firearms from a locked case and caused an incident, or crawled down intoi the luggage hold and obtained a checked firearm and caused issues?"
Locked cases prevent theft is my only point. The other stuff is eyewash, and TSA always focuses on the last threat, it seems. If handlers will open your luggage and steal electronics and jewelry they will steal your gun. If a ground crew member can steal an airplane as happened recently in Seattle certainly a firearm is in the realm of the possible. I haven't flown with a gun for a while but I was always asked to wait for the gun to be screened (unlocked) and was then paged to lock the case in front of the TSA agents.
I like the ATA-rated SKB cases, since they are a little lighter. We use Pelican cases at work for shipping scientific gear and they are the gold standard for that.
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I completely agree. Thanks for the clarification, Bruce.
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I just carried three shotguns to Canada in a Pelican case. United in Jacksonville, FL pulled a new one on me this time.
I had the six closures secured with TSA combination locks. The locks did not tightly close on the closures. TSA opened all six of the closures and even though the locks were all still in place, they were able to crack the case open very slightly, certainly not enough to get a gun out. They pronounced that if they could get one finger into the case and TOUCH a gun they wouldn't ship it.
I solved the problem by locking two additional locks into the locks already on the case in order to tighten the loop up enough that they could not get a finger in. Seems arbitrary to me...Geo
Makes perfect sense to me George.
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