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Joe, why don't you list all the barrels that burst for no apparent reason you have personally seen. You sound like you have quite a list. I know of one. It's because I loaded 94grs of PB by mistake. I thought I had Pyrodex in the bottle, and it took 4 shots - station 2 on the skeet field. Blown chamber & 23 stiches on my forearm. I had the shells tested. They were 23,500psi. The gun was a 1889 Remington twist barrel hammergun. I even sent the barrels to some place in California for testing, but never hear anything back. Any type of barrel blows in the chamber because of too much pressure, down the barrel because of a obstruction. I could be wrong but these look like the chamber blew.

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I saw several of them on this site.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
I saw several of them on this site.


Along with the pics of the blown barrels, was there any evidence or suggestion as to cause? Obstructions, double charge etc?


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I believe most documented with images blow-ups shown on this or other shotgun related internet sites in the last 10 years are documented here
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17546456
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/24513874
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/24519472

and the vast majority are rationally explained by:
1. obstruction
2. thin barrels
3. over-pressure loads
4. "inexpert" chamber and forcing cone lengthening



Damascus barrel welds do fail



and may have inclusions



And this, I believe, was caused by smokeless powder detonation, but we REALLY do not want to go there
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/shotgun-blowups.244114/
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/smokeless-powder-ddt.245629/


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There was always big discussions.

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All the barrels I have seen, after the fact, or heard about from reputable sources have been steel barrels. They go too. Always easiest for human nature to blame the mechanical devise instead of human error. That's why you have to buy a new gun to pick up an extra target or two!? vmmv :-)

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Shoot old guns, drive old cars,etc: things can happen

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New guns and new cars fail too. I've seen a number of brand new cars broke down along the highway that still have the sticker in the rear window. The hammer failed on my Colt Trooper mkIII .357 Mag before it had 200 rounds through it. Many defects rear their head when things are quite new, then the number of failures goes way down until the item nears or reaches end of life through age, wear, abuse, or planned obsolescence.

We see a lot more barrel failures with fluid steel because there are a lot more steel barrels still in use vs. Damascus. Neither type is immune to bursting due to stuck wads, mud dauber nests, reloading errors, etc. I've told the story about being totally blind for about a half hour after having a complete head separation on a .22-250 in a sporterized VZ24 Mauser action rifle. Shit happens. Wear shooting glasses and avoid mistakes and warning signs.

But where are these pictures and evidence already? It's not like someone had to drop off a roll of 35 mm film at the drugstore and wait for developing and prints.


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If it was David, it just might be on 35mm.

There is a picture of David, with his trusty 35, documenting an old gun with MM.


I still shoot film.

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Ted

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