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So Kennedy and particularly Johnson get a pass but poor old Tricky Dickie just gets crapped on despite actually achieving the desired result, rather than making things worse.

I read just fine. however when I read you, I'm overwhelmed by in-credulousness. Your biases, in the face of irrefutable evidence, are stunning.

And as far as my brother's keeper goes....dig into the statistics. Across North America, the jurisdictions that give the most to charity are dominated by conservatives. It's not that we don't believe in giving a helping hand....we just don't think that giving should be dominated by a government who got it's money by extortion.

You actually don't know much. At the start of this exchange I opined your comments were like a parody of Dems in action. Sadly it's no longer parody. You are living it. And dragging your country down with you and yet you can't see what you are doing.

Far from the only one Bill. Just check out what the snow geese are doing in the arctic. And we and the geese are far from the only species with that tendency.

BTW Bill, are we agreed we shouldn't beggar our grandchildren? That we should endeavor to give them a fighting chance?

Bill.
I am not sure whether I appreciate your 'faint praise'!
Yes of course we 'destroy our own habitat'! - see my earlier argument - we destroy our own habitat because we have multiplied to the extend that 'our habitat' (the planet) rapidly becomes 'too small' to feed us and give us enough space to live - apart from the other problems mentioned earlier.
On your other (uninvited) point: I don't see any problems with President Trump! - he is exactly what was - and is - needed in this modern (dare I say it: socialist kabal) world!
I stop here - I have no wish to offend you or anyone, but there is a limit to what thinking people can accept - politically or otherwise - from the uneducated classes
(yes, I know, but what do you think 'education' is for? People who are able to think and get their thinking 'sharpened' by education are supposed to take care of us! For our BENEFIT!
Some people might call this 'elitism' - but yes, that's what it is - the original meaning of the word is just that!

Enough

rgds from England
Gunter
NRA Life 1974

to paraphrase an old bible saying: The Meek have inherited the Earth!

Gunter, the meek have not inherited the world. The world has been inherited by the super rich and the multi-national corporations-- with the assistance of our Republican Party. The uneducated are left to fend for themselves- some of them effectively but most just hanging on. Education is the way out of this morass, but conservatives see it as a drain on the bottom line.

Gunter,
The movie you were referring to was titled Soylent Green.
Karl

Bill, check your email, yup those seventy-three from the dnc, the mega elites are currently off limits. They've made your talking point most favored list. Ah, I think I know what happened, you thought all that spam was solicitations for money. Heck, most of the stratospheric rich you belly ache about have floated the idea of future runs for high offices under the dem banner, eh?

You know, even with your President unchaining the enslaved economy, there're still a bunch of college graduates aspiring to making manager at the local latte shop, until something better comes along or they get off their phones. Just imagine how much they will value that degree when it's 'free', eh? Do me a favor, the next time you need a plumber or mechanic to keep your truck spewing poison, you insist on a college degree, okay? Don't 'forget' to tip the waitress, she's a person too and just may be smart enough not to be saddled with some gender studies degree and a mountain of debt.

Craig, you're right, of course; as the world turns, lots of people are under-employed. They have my deepest respect. The future you and I enjoyed has been denied them, and it's not their fault. The ladder we climbed has been severely narrowed. As for whatever else you intended to say, no one could possibly interpret. Like many conservatives, you seem incapable of clear exposition. You just know somehow that you're on the right track and that anyone you takes a different view is seriously mistaken.

CB, You're as obtuse as Craig. Where did I give a pass to Kennedy or Johnson? The war should never have happened- like many others. BTW, I'm lying awake nights fretting about the environmental degradation brought on by snow geese. Maybe we should open season on them.

I never said that, did I Bill. As you might notice, I keep reminding you of baggage that goes along with your view, because you won't try to change my mind with facts and logic. If you say I'm seriously mistaken because you feel like it, why aren't my feelings equally as valid?

Knowing that factually there's a high chance that one of the current Democrat Presidential hopefuls will be on the ballot in two years. And, knowing for a fact the words that come out of their mouths and are printed on their websites, wouldn't you think it would be smart of me to wake each morning and thank God for a sharply divided nation?

Isn't it the silliest thing in the world to believe that facts and figures will change feelings?