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I shot steel 3" BB's & BBB's through a Fox HE that had been cut to 29" with no choke for a couple goose seasons. Sad that it had been cut, but knowing there was very little choke I wasn't concerned.
Sold the gun to TG at gun show and always wondered if the barrels grew back to 32"?

Sold a well worn Fox A grade 20. About a year it popped up for sale. High condition, factory original finish. Collector grade. Offered to send dealer my original photos of the before condition of the gun. Dealer forgot I had sold him the gun. He hung up. Buy with a large salt shaker from some of these guys.

Jim Thynne at Ivory Beads told me years ago that he thought the old fox Sterlingworth with heavy barrels would be the best of the American classics for waterfowl with steel.

I certainly would not disagree with him, but I can see no sense in shooting steel in a vintage double. Two reasons ...... there are several alternatives to steel for older guns, and there are doubles that can handle steel that aren't vintage. JMO, YMMV.

SRH

My Dickinson SLE is fully steel compatible. I still prefer Kent alternatives. We are talking 50 bucks a year, max. Come on, guys. there are no excuses.

I have never heard pressure mentioned as the concern with steel shot? I always thought it was simply the lack of compression compared to lead for the tighter chokes. I have shot steel in an old Stevens Model 311 made some time in the early 60's I believe with no problems, but of course, it is choked IC and Mod. Still nothing larger than 3's.

Perry would not lack of compression in the forcing cone have to result in higher pressure? Seems like it would. Maybe not enough to matter though.

I had the cones lengthened in my Merkel back in the early 90s. I could not discern any before-after differences but figured it couldn't hurt while the the tubes were being put in.

"Don't stone me: Modern steel compatible SxS 12g?"


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Remember that max pressure in a shotgun comes well inside the chamber. By the time the shot charge has moved far enough to enter the forcing cone it has already begun to fall. There is little reason to believe a short cone will cause an increase in the max peak pressure of the load. It "May" have a very slight effect on slowing the fall, but that's about it.

No, I am not a Ballistician, so anyone who has "Proof" this is wrong please do so. So many times I am reminded of the words of Julian S Hatcher when he said There are things which Sound good when you Say Them Real Fast, that simply won't hold up to Scrutiny.

How does the pressure fall before the shot moves? Where does it go? After all, the pressure is created by the additional space that the combustion products need relative to the solid powder. The only way the pressure can fall is if the gases expand, and the only way that gases can expand is if the shot moves.