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I recently won an auction for a 32" barreled, 12 ga. British waterfowler that weighs 8 lb. 15 oz., according to the seller. A pigeon gun with that same length barrels would have been about 1 1/2 lb. lighter.

SRH

Pigeon guns are most likely stocked high.

Almost always.

SRH

I bought a Lefever at a gun show with the following.
1) No safety
2) chokes xtra full and full
3) length 32 in barrells

See if I can add something useful.

Handling Characteristics of an Average pigeon gun:
Weight = 7# 11 oz, Balance = 4 3/4" in front of (front)
trigger, Unmounted swing effort = 1.82, & Mounted
swing effort = 8.11.

Handling Characteristics of an Average game gun:
Weight = 6# 8 oz, Balance = 4 1/2" in front of (front)
trigger, Unmounted swing effort = 1.45, & Mounted
swing effort = 6.38.

Handling Characteristics of an Average Light Pigeon gun;
Weight = 7# 3 oz, Balance = 4 5/8" in front of (front)
trigger, Unmounted swing effort = 1.67, & Mounted
swing effort = 7.46.

As the numbers show, taken in order of game gun - light pigeon - pigeon, the guns become progressively heavier, more forward balance, and require increasingly more effort to swing.

Curious to me, columbari birds haven't been mentioned, unless I missed it. The only gun in my database that I know to have been used very successfully in columbari birds is a Perazzi MT-6 with the following handling: 8# 3 oz, 3 3/8" balance, 2.38 unmounted and 7.99 mounted. I expect this gun is an exception to the averages.

DDA

It�s worth a lot Geo. I�m quite happy, regardless of what type of game gun it is. I like the heft of it, and that I doesn�t need fixing.

Interesting Cashmore for Kirkwood Bros.; high VR and BTFE apparently with a checkered wood butt - OUCH!!
Parker first offered a VR on a double in 1923; Hunter Arms in 1925.

https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/2267-396/

Careful about showing Cashmores. You will offend poor Ted.

In 1883 Dr. W. F. Carver, �The Evil Spirit of the Plains� was matched against Capt. A. H. Bogardus (using a W&C Scott) by the Ligowsky Clay Pigeon Co. in a 25-match series. He and Capt. Bogardus shot 100 targets each in 25 different cities, with Carver winning 19 matches, three tied, and losing three.
Carver used a hammerless 12b Greener then but was shooting a Cashmore 1897-1899.

He used his Cashmore, shooting at the max. 32 yds. at the 5th GAH at Elkwood Park, Long Branch, N. J., March 1897.
Thomas A. Marshall, of Keithsburg, Ill., won in a four man shoot-off, also using a Cashmore.



Guns used: Smith- 31, Parker- 23, Greener- 21, Francotte- 12, Cashmore- 11, Scott- 9, Winchester- 8, Purdey- 5, Lefever- 3

Marshall and his Cashmore won again in 1899 - the only 2 time GAH champion. He was given this Cashmore Presentation Gun thereafter





Cashmore's Nitro Bolt & 1910 catalog courtesy of Bro. Daryl





Wow! 75 pounds sterling in 1910 is about $9400 today.

Stan, you've been holding out on us. Let's hear more, please.
JR