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I read the article, how true it is I do not know. I do know the current restrictions make that lever action tube fed rim fire rifle illegal because it holds over 10 rounds. Big changes in NZ since the shooting and none for the better from what I see.


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Originally Posted By: SKB
Big changes in NZ since the shooting and none for the better from what I see.


So Stevie, would you suggest that New Zealand shooters and gun owners should act like you and post data from known anti-gunners like Philp Alpers and GunPolicy.org... to support the notion that they really don't have anything to worry about?

Or are you just posting here because every post you make is more free advertising at Dave's expense?


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The article is reasonably correct, albeit written by the victim himself.
Here is a more mainstream article on the raid:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/...disturbing.html

At least we have one politician who seems to have some common sense over the whole debacle.
Interesting to note I have not seen any similar raids on gang headquarters recently, might be easier to pick on family guys.....

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Okay, next question. While you have linked me to a report of the event written by someone other than the target, how is this event actually playing across NZ. Is the victim of the raid garnering sympathy from the general public? Is the press portraying him as a right wing loon? Is the press even covering it in a meaningful way or is it a blip and then relegated to the dustbin of news stories?

This kind of regulation is about to be enacted in Canada so I have some real interest. It's not theoretical up here, the way it is in the US.

For example, our recently elected government ran on a platform of specifically banning AR-15 rifles, among others. Despite the fact they are already what we call restricted. Where their only legal use is at an approved range and where they are part of a restricted weapon registry. And all this in a country where, at last check, no one ever has been killed by an AR-15.


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To me, the interesting part of the story isn't so much the law or the enthusiastic enforcement. There seems to be a very low bar for what's considered evidence and the way it's collected.

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Originally Posted By: canvasback


This kind of regulation is about to be enacted in Canada so I have some real interest. It's not theoretical up here, the way it is in the US.

For example, our recently elected government ran on a platform of specifically banning AR-15 rifles, among others.


This situation certainly is not theoretical in the U.S.

Virtually every Democrat running against our pro-2nd Amendment Donald Trump is actively calling for bans on AR-15's and other currently legal semi-automatic rifles. The majority of Democrats in Congress are also calling for the same restrictions and infringements upon law abiding citizens. They are also all pushing for Universal Firearms Registration in the guise of Universal Background Checks, which would make similar enforcement rather easy.

And sadly, we still have a number of Liberal Democrats right here on this forum who support these extreme anti-gunners, and who attempt to suppress even discussing the situation.

More than anything, they hate the very idea that anyone would point out how they are actively stabbing us in the backs, and that they are no help to the cause of gun rights.


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....They are also all pushing for Universal Firearms Registration in the guise of Universal Background Checks, which would make similar enforcement rather easy.

And sadly, we still have a number of Liberal Democrats right here on this forum who support these extreme anti-gunners, and who attempt to suppress even discussing the situation....

Blue states seem bent on leading the way. There's chatter that Classic Guns in il is closing its doors in a few months due to regulations and fees. For the anti AR folks, Classic has been known to do some slick case colors. Part of the reg. hoops that they have to jump through is keeping a digital logbook. Maybe, intended as another tool to backdoor register, 'better' than ocasional photographing or waiting for turn in.

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Originally Posted By: canvasback
Okay, next question. While you have linked me to a report of the event written by someone other than the target, how is this event actually playing across NZ. Is the victim of the raid garnering sympathy from the general public? Is the press portraying him as a right wing loon? Is the press even covering it in a meaningful way or is it a blip and then relegated to the dustbin of news stories?

This kind of regulation is about to be enacted in Canada so I have some real interest. It's not theoretical up here, the way it is in the US.

For example, our recently elected government ran on a platform of specifically banning AR-15 rifles, among others. Despite the fact they are already what we call restricted. Where their only legal use is at an approved range and where they are part of a restricted weapon registry. And all this in a country where, at last check, no one ever has been killed by an AR-15.

It has not really had a high profile.
However I expect more raids to come, possibly quite a few over a short time as police want to look like they are getting tough on those that do not comply.
The main opposition party, while they were behind the initial laws, are now starting to side more with the licenced firearms owners as being unfairly targeted for something they did not do.
All I can say is I hope they win the next election this year.
The Labour/green (left)coalition not only seem hellbent on making life tough on firearms owners, but free speech also seems to be in their sights.(unless they agree with it of course!)
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Thank you for informing us about what is going on Greg. I'm quite confident that our mainstream media will not report these things because it goes against their narrative. I wish you the best of luck in getting a change of government that is more attuned to the rights of law abiding gun owners.

It is very revealing to hear about this extreme police raid hell bent on confiscating a "Bunny Gun". We have heard the lie for years that the Liberal anti-gunners won't take our hunting guns. But the truth is they hate all guns. And I hope that you will continue to keep us informed. Maybe some people here will pay attention and your words will help us avoid going down the same path.

And interesting that you should mention the Liberal's assaults on free speech. Spend enough time here on this forum, and pay close attention to those who attempt to suppress or disrupt gun rights discussions. Hint... it ain't the Conservatives.



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Originally Posted By: keith




Normally I avoid posting in these argument threads that devolve into personal attacks, however your meme caught my eye in that it is a half truth, though funny.

You humorous meme is correct that they want to painfully regulate us to death, but the actual prosecution for violation provides an incredible paradox.

That paradox is while the left seeks to outlaw and control all sorts of things their actions during their last administration showed a desire to regulate without prosecution. Take the prosecution of criminals who falsely fill out background checks and are caught by the database. One would think that should generate some prosecution for perjury or fraud, instead we see the number of prosecution for an excess of 100,000 frauds was less than 0.1%.

Did the last administration not care about the violation of already existing gun laws?

Is this because the left wants criminals to be free?

Do they want current laws to fail in order to justify more laws?

Is it that the administrative state cannot possibly regulate everything they want to and therefore depend on good citizens to just comply?

The last administration never really answered the question and it is not possible to know why for absolute fact.

I argue current law already provides sufficient regulation and they need to be properly enforced.

When I am told about the need for new regulation because the old one’s failed, I always ask why did they fail to work, if it was we did not actually enforce them then I am left with the question why will new law or regulation be any different?


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