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Thank you canvasback...I'm still a little gun shy about posting here...Do you think Flues was maybe trying to tweak the Ideal lock up? This gun was about the time of the James Packard gun (commissioned)I've not seen this gun...and a decade ish before the Tom Mix gun...(Winchester museum, again, I've not seen the Mix gun either) ...so I don't know if there are other rising bite Flues guns out there...I know of one other...or did it change hands and maybe it's the same gun

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Those small round rods below each firing pin hole?.. I dont think they are any bolt/lock up design, as they would seem to protrude into the open chamber area,, could they be cocking indicators of some kind...if the chamber is empty they come out, if full they stay in ?....it is an odd place for somerhing like that...
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There's a lot of banjo work on this example that we are not fully viewing.

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You lost me. What's "banjo work"...Geo

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I think those hole are simply plugged hole from a breast drill...remember, Flues had no electricity, no milling machine, no lathe...he carved receivers with a breast drill, cold chisels, and files...I checked my 1910 made Flues sxs and although the receivers are nearly identical. there are no plugs under the firing pins...so I'm assuming those plugged holes are related to the rising bite lock up...the seller has not shown the bites in the retracted position , so I can't say for sure that it's a rising bite or just another snap action (more likely)...the sideways W along with the K are likely the touchmarks of Sam Koch, Flues apprentice who would have been a late teen at the time this gun was made
I too would like a cler description of "banjo work"

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I think you were correct right from the beginning...it's probably not a rising bite at all...the rib extension dolls head looks like the rib extension on the 1910 gun minus the two bites...

That sideways dig about "banjo work" has been stuck under my craw for a few days now...it sounds like some unnecessary insult referencing Deliverance (the movie)...Emil Flues was arguably one of the greatest gunsmiths America ever produced...he put Ithaca on the map...
I forgot to mention that Flues worked closely together with Harry Pope...he also worked on the Thomas Flyer...oh yeah...Flues was the final fitter assembler of every Newton Rifle Corp's rifles including the one ans only Newton leverbolt (not Meachem Newtons)...in fact, Rudolph Kornbrath's personal shotgun was handmade by Flues...it now resides in the Winchester museum...Flues designed the most commercially successful SXS manufactured in America...if those accomplishments are banjo work, then I'm anxious to see that posters venerated work from on high...he is so lofty that he can look down on Emil Flues as some bush league gunsmith...if you show yours, I'll show mine

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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
You lost me. What's "banjo work"...Geo


I was raised up hearing the term as referring to fancied up work that added no real substance to something, and made it possibly more prone to break downs. I have never seen an actual definition of the term.

It has nothing to do with the scenes in "Deliverance", the movie. I believe it to be a fairly localized term, Southern in general.

Grandaddy bought Grandma a new 1957 Cadillac. It had a device mounted on the center top of the dashboard (I believe it was called the "autonic eye") that was supposed to dim the headlights automatically when it "saw" the approaching headlights of another car. It had a sensitivity adjustment knob on the back. It was pretty much useless. It would dim the lights when you rounded a curve and the headlights hit a white painted fence. Grandaddy called it banjo work.

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Robert, I would suggest you completely misunderstand Ellenbr’s comment. Just the kind of phrasing he uses and not an unsavoury reference as you imagine.


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I thought maybe so....so I asked and another asked him to clarify what the term meant....To even infer that Flues cobbled up some Romerwerke receiver is NOT THE WAY FLUES SHOULD GO DOWN IN HISTORY......
I didn't even mention that he was granted 6 or 7 US patents for shotgun features...

Now that I've listed just some of Flues accomplishments, his patents, guns made for celebrities and royalty. his Ithaca legacy...is there a chance that ellnbr was completely unaware of any of Flues accomplishments ? The name Flues was right there..ellnbr was throwing shade.no one interpreted it any other way...that's why he wouldn't respond to either request to clarify the tern...
Cadillac dimmer!!! (big fat whopper) let me put on my hip waders...I don't know what that term means, it's just a saying my grand pappy used to say about his push button Plymouth dashboard

I appreciate you standing up for ellnbr, but let him eat some well deserved crow...I do it a lot...it's easy...if you close your eyes, it tastes like seagull

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