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I have always liked the looks of the Winchester 21 and understand its hell for stout, but how does a splinter forend double trigger field grade handle? I have always shot Belguim, German , lefever and Lc smith guns and they have been close to the same handling( pretty svelte even 7.75 30 inchers). What do you guys think about the 21? I am a shooter not a collector.
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I have a 21 with straight stock, splinter forend and double triggers in 12 ga. with 28" barrels. It weights a couple of ounces over 7#. The American walnut stock has been hollowed out as much as prudent and it wears a Winchester red butt pad.
It's butt heavy. It could use a bit heavier set of barrels or a lighter butt stock.
It's light for a M21 12 ga. Perhaps a more typical 12 ga will have the balance point forward.
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Its all a matter of ones perspective. I want to love one and have owned 3 16 ga guns. They all went down the road, because I dont feel nostalgia holding one - I feel like I am holding a Ruger Red label or a Citori. Youve already said Lefever, and I havent met a 21 that I enjoy anywhere near as much as a Lefever or something like this Wilkes Barre Gun Co.:
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I own a pair, Mid 30's, 20 and 16, 28" Full/Mod and 28" Mod/Cyl I love them, the lightest and liveliest of all my 21's.
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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If you run excel, I'll send you my handling spreadsheet for M-21's. If you don't do excel, email me a snail mail address and I'll send you a hard copy.
As a sample, my M21 skeet handles as follows: 8# 1 oz, Balance @ 3 1/4" in front of the single trigger, unmounted swing effort = 1.85, mounted swing effort = 8.23, half weight radius = 10.32, 15 3/4" LOP replacement stock, 26" bbls. That says it is heavy, rearward balanced, and has swing efforts like a typical pigeon gun. The HWR says it is compact (much of the weight near the center.
Is that useful to you?
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Isn't the Model 21 the shotgun that Colonel Charles Askins proclaimed to be the shotgun to top all shotguns? I have seen and handled a few, never owned one, but I have a 20 gauge Model 23 that I think looks better and handles better than 21's of the same gauge and configuration handle. Heh! Opinions. Everybody generally has one and that is just mine.
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The good Major's idiot kid also wrote an article titled "Junk Those Doubles" wherein he extolled the virtues of the over/under.
When the Model 23 Classic came out in 1986, I jumped on the .410-bore and 28-gauge, but never got the 20- and 12-gauges as I found the 20-gauge to be one of the klunkiest doubles I ever handled.
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