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Originally Posted by sandlapper
CJ, Thanks for the information. When I have the Sauer in my hot little hands, I will reach out to you for your input. Just looking at all the details, it appears to be a Model XVIII sans the gold inlays, with maybe a little more scroll and fewer animals, on barrel wedges and floorplate than most of them. A little more English flavor than most. How do the the 16’s rank in production, as opposed to 12’s & 20’s, in your experience? Thanks, Sandlapper

Regarding the high grade Prussian Sauers, Stephens wrote in his DGJ article that where the Grade 40s were concerned, 12s were difficult to find but that 16s and 20s were "almost impossible". He said that he knew of just two 16s and three 20s. Given that I owned a 16ga Grade 40 and that I bought it from a Cabela's Gun Library, I've always thought that there may have been more of them out there than he thought. But he was actively looking for them while I was lucky enough to stumble across the one I bought at Cabela's.

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Raimey, I noticed in some older Sauer threads, you mentioned Mr. Cates supplied production information on specific S/N Sauers. Does he have or have access to the factory production records, and if so, how might I contact him, please? Thanks, Sandlapper

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Yes, I would have thought that 16 gauge models would be at least as popular as 12’s, given the Continental penchant for 16 bore guns. Maybe the export 16’s and 20’s are rarer than the inland German models. Thanks, Sandlapper

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Well,looks like someone might be parting with their collection……or it’s a wild coincidence a 16 and a 20 within a couple of weeks

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...th-fine-gold-inlays.cfm?gun_id=102017227


The taste of poor quality lingers long after the cheap price is forgotten.........
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Cate gives that Sauer Nr. 165,646 was made in 1914. I can dig up his contact email but I think you would be better off to contact Suhl master engraver & historian Henrik Frühaf:

http://gravuren-fruehauf.de/

He either has some copies or has full access to the Sauer records that exist in the Old Suhl Jail.

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Wolfgang is always kind enough to feed the beast & my thirst for additional info & I forgot to post this link that is associated with Dietrich Apel:

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli...iltered=true&query=Meisterwerk+Sauer

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And since Franz Schilling was the talented mechanic that applied the adornment to the above example, he could very well be the same hand as on yours. Henrik can make a stab @ that too.

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Originally Posted by CJO
Well,looks like someone might be parting with their collection……or it’s a wild coincidence a 16 and a 20 within a couple of weeks

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...th-fine-gold-inlays.cfm?gun_id=102017227

And times were on the cusp of becoming most difficult immediately after the Bump in the Road by WWI. So how is it that all these fantastic Sauer examples were coming out then?

Has anyone actual seen or held the S,D&G / Sauer $1000 / 4200 R. Marks Modell?? And by Drew's Money Calculus that would be near $30,000 today??

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Too, if this thread needs to be in the German Section, I can use the one that has bubbled to the surface there?

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=617550#Post617550

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Originally Posted by ellenbr
Wolfgang is always kind enough to feed the beast & my thirst for additional info & I forgot to post this link that is associated with Dietrich Apel:

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli...iltered=true&query=Meisterwerk+Sauer


https://imgur.com/a/0TqUCFT

https://imgur.com/a/iPOH1i9

Oooooooh.... I just noticed there is one of our Beloved Pigeons on this example......


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