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The Hunter Arms Company choked all their double guns full and full unless otherwise specified by the customer; so tight choked Smith guns certainly aren't a rarity, and I suspect most period American double gun makers had the same policy. In the tight coverts of N. Georgia a full choked gun would be a disadvantage; although not so much for dove shooting. I once owned a late (1904) vintage 12-bore Syracuse Arms 30" Damascus gun choked improved cylinder and full; it was a marvelous gun for dove shooting, and if the wind wasn't blowing I could actually hear the shot charge from the full choked barrel smack a dove when connecting on a long range shot. But the longest shot I ever made was at better than 75 yards on a running cottontail using a 20-bore Parker whose right barrel was cylinder bore. Two witnesses were astounded with the shot, which was pure dumb luck, but the autopsy revealed just one #6 pellet in a sweet spot. Personally I've killed lots of game using cylinder bore guns and don't feel the least bit handicapped using an open choke where I've hunted, but I've never hunted the wide open plains and wild pheasants either; had I done so I'm sure I'd have an entirely different opinion.

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I should clarify I did NOT think these were pigeon guns nor do I think F/F is a rare combo on an early American SxS. The guns are a Parker DHE and a pre-1913 Smith and I consider them somewhat rare with straight stocks and longer barrels. Maybe hard to find is a better descriptor. I have never needed more than mod on upland hunts but that was hunting back east in tight cover. I can see benefits of one full barrel out west but two seems like a hindrance. I should just use it as an excuse to shoot more often!


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I support Owen. Keep buying guns.

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I think Owen has it correct. I tell my wife he suggested it!
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Waterfowl non-tox has pretty much wiped out F/F guns. OK for turkeys, but hardcore turkey hunters seem to want even tighter chokes. Good old IC and M combination seems most useful for me...Geo

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I knew I could count on this board and my take away is simply buy more guns! I can live with that. Now who is going to volunteer their number so when I get the eye roll from my better half for yet another gun in the cabinet she can reach out to discuss this impeccable reasoning?


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For what it's worth, I also have a 1934 Parker DHE with 30"bbls. and F&F chokes. It's perfect for tower pheasant shoots.

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Since I prefer shooting early 1870s guns I say, long live the cylinder bores! Actually, for 95% of my shooting (quail and dove) I have no use for much more than IC and Mod. But then you gotta understand Im a lousy shot and need all the pattern spread I can get!


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I have constantly experimented with different chokes at Sporting. Amazed at hitting 40+ yard targets with no choke and very open chokes. Also amazed sometime at hitting close targets with tight chokes. Still unless you are extremely good, like George Digweed good I think Full C is a disadvantage.


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As an old guy, who grew up with "full & full," I think those guns are vintage. I have found that getting chokes put into guns ends up having them choked "Skeet and I.C."
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