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One Manhattan Arms gun I found at Allentown and did not buy was an exceptional example. I am also chasing a Grade 40 Sauer that, because of its 32" barrels, is an unusual find. I am not wedded to the "sidelock" mystique to eliminate great boxlocks from my collection. For an example, I own a Parker.

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The opinion expressed about a J.P.Sauer & Sohn Meisterwerk model 60 by Pine Creek Dave is in no way offensive or threatening to anyone. It is simply his opinion. And while I don't necessarily agree, it is not as far off the mark as many of the opinions we see expressed right here on a regular basis.

Some folks seem to think Pine Creek Dave has psychological problems. But so far, he hasn't been crazy and deranged enough to suggest that gun owners should elect anti-2nd Amendment Liberal Democrats with a 100% anti-gun voting records. I think there are better targets for criticism and derision than Dave.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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"Opinion--Judgement or belief based on grounds short of proof"--OED. Varying about Sauers all over the world, as they are expressed by US governance on the Second by tens of thousands every day.

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The difference being that the Supreme Court has ruled that the 2nd Amendment provides for an individual right to keep and bear arms and that is the law of the land. To my knowledge, they have expressed no opinion with respect to the merits of Sauer shotguns.


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Except that the law of the land is interpreted by jurisdictions in different ways as expressions of will of the people they represent. Opinions, again.

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No, that is not correct. A ruling by the Supreme Court has the force of law. It is not just an opinion. The fact that some lower courts choose to interpret the ruling inconsistently does not change that fact. If enough of those lower courts rule inconsistently with the Supreme Court's ruling, eventually the Court will grant cert. in another case and clarify its ruling. We are overdue for such a 2nd Amendment ruling by the Supremes.


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
"Opinion--Judgement or belief based on grounds short of proof"--OED. Varying about Sauers all over the world, as they are expressed by US governance on the Second by tens of thousands every day.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Except that the law of the land is interpreted by jurisdictions in different ways as expressions of will of the people they represent. Opinions, again.


This is an example of why the opinion made by Pine Creek Dave is not nearly as ridiculous or threatening as the opinion frequently expressed by King Brown, that the 2nd Amendment does not protect our Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Even the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on this subject in two landmark decisions in 2008 and 2010 has not stopped King from his opinion that the 2nd Amendment does not protect our Individual Gun Rights.

Is King Brown an Anti-Gunner?

It is well known that the foreigner King Brown has used this forum for years to voice his anti-gun and anti-2nd Amendment views. And right now, we have rocky mtn bill starting a new political thread concerning his thought that we should support the Liberal Left Democrats who hate all guns, simply because Billy does not want law abiding U.S. citizens to own or shoot the semi-auto rifles that he dislikes.

Sorry folks, but we have bigger fish to fry than being critical of a Viet Nam Veteran like Pine Creek Dave. Dave is no threat to our Constitutional Rights. Dave served in the U.S. Military defending our rights. Then you have fools like King and rocky mtn bill who work to help anti-gun Democrats eliminate those rights.



A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: eightbore
One Manhattan Arms gun I found at Allentown and did not buy was an exceptional example. I am also chasing a Grade 40 Sauer that, because of its 32" barrels, is an unusual find. I am not wedded to the "sidelock" mystique to eliminate great boxlocks from my collection. For an example, I own a Parker.


here is a 1920 sauer double with 34" barrels for sale …. a bit beat up looking..... interesting though. not mine or anything to do with me

http://www.german-gun-imports.com/Gunsmith-Guns/Special-Guns/

scroll down and click on it and it shows several pictures


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Originally Posted By: ClapperZapper
Does rare equate to "best"?
I have a Union firearms do was around here someplace.lol



Certainly not always. But the high grade Sauer boxlocks--certainly Grade 40 on up--are all very nice guns. The rarity factor comes into play with the smallbores. Doesn't make them better, but results in higher prices. Much like comparing a 28ga Parker, any model, to a 12ga, same model, similar condition.

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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Originally Posted By: Dave Erickson
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There's always been one or two who emerge over there craving recognition. I tune them out.


Dave, is 16ga Guy still around? He is/was a character. Used to talk about pheasant hunting in MA--where they have something like an 8 bird season limit.. He added that he also hunted ringnecks in Rhode Island.


No. 1, MA never had a limit of more than 2 cock birds per day, since the 50's when I started hunting in MA.

No. 2. Most likely he left off the name of the place in Rhode Island where he hunts pheasants... and where they may not even have a limit, if you brought enough money.... Addieville East Preasant Farms.

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