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A 20-bore British pinfire is unusual, I've never come across one.

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Terry tells me that when he sold it at Amoskeag (about 2016 per my records) he had 100 paper cartridges for the gun....looks like three are left.


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Atkin Grant and Lang have the only remaining records. They start with SN 2085 in 1858 as you say. Nothing earlier remains.

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Originally Posted By: Robert Hodges UK
Atkin Grant and Lang have the only remaining records. They start with SN 2085 in 1858 as you say. Nothing earlier remains.

Robert, thanks for this.

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Diggory Hadoke told me that Mark Crudgington knows of two Langs with sales receipts from 1854. I asked Mark about this. He has never provided further information or confirmed their existence. The last exchange we had, he also said the earliest extant Lang which can be dated is 1858.


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Hm

That Reilly 20 bore didn't sell.
For the $1500 I might have bought it.

If anyone here knows who has it, let me know.

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https://live.amoskeagauction.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/54/lot/29699


I would start with querying Amoskeog. Amoskeog generally will not give you the name of the owner (or the buyer). But they will forward a message from you.

And when all else fails, send them a snail-mail letter with a text and a stamped envelope "to whom it may concern." This is how I got to the owner of the pair to my Reilly 16 bore side lever.

Somehow my post on how I finally found the buyer doesn't seem to exist

I'll add that any gun collected by Terry Buffum was solid.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=557230


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It was a minor annoyance that the update to the board did not like my use of quotation marks, assorted punctuation, currency symbols, and the occasional French character, leaving in their place tiny black squares like so much black powder residue sprinkled over the texts... This detracted from the reading experience and as some may wish to re-read the pages someday, or others may come across this thread for the first time and might otherwise be deterred by the texts' appearance, I'm happy to say that my 100 or so posts on this thread have now been cleaned up.

Thanks again to all who have contributed to the thread and, of course, I hope it will keep going.

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Raimey sent this to me: Hedeline, Paris 16 gauge pin-fire with dated barrels by Bernard dated 1870 in excellent shape. Thomas Woodword of Colorado apparently loads his own pin-fire guns:
https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...uch-original-finish.cfm?gun_id=101594911
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Ad states the entire ensemble, gun, case, accruements are in near original condition. He wants a lot for it. He also states it is very late for a pin-fire. Close. but not quite true since the majority of extant Reilly shotguns in my database continued to be pin-fires until 1872 - 73.

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Thanks, Argo44. I note that even for an 1870-dated gun, the fences are very thin in profile.

The snap underlever is reminiscent of a design found on Beringer guns, I believe. Related to my query on another thread, are the various scroll-shaped underlever designs and the common scroll-shape of the trigger guard bow linked? It would seem the scroll-shaped trigger guard pre-dated the Beringer underlever, and Beringer (or someone else) fashioned a forward snap underlever that resembled the scroll shape of the trigger guard bow - or I could be wrong and it is the other way around - or simply unrelated. Trying to get to the origins of these designs is frustrating.

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