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Springer for which Ludwig of Bavaria?
Looks like it was removed from and belongs in a museum!

This last pic looks like a museum mark? What does it say?

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Looks like German for Windhoek Namibia Bavarian colony in Africa
I could be chasing wrong rabbit but I dont believe so?


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Ok I found the rock Island auction sale

Historic Engraved Joh. Springer's Erben Double Barrel LeFaucheux Type Underlever Hammergun Ordered by Crown Prince Rudolph Habsburg

Browned twist barrels respectively signed "JOH. SPRINGERS ERBEN IN WIEN" and "K.K. KAMMER GEWEHR LIEFERANTEN" towards the breeches, matte rib bearing a bead front sight and engraved with a spray of foliage at the breech end, 2 inch chambers, and cylinder bore in each. Casehardened action with sculpted percussion fences, chiselled with the crowned monogram "L," and with dark horn cover with checkered tip to the underlever, casehardened bolted back action locks each signed "JOH. SPRINGERS ERBEN/WIEN" on ribbons, sprung front trigger, casehardened trigger guard and dark horn scrolled pistol grip finger rest. Well-figured 14 inch stock with raised cheekpiece and checkered grip and permanently attached forend. The left side of the butt is stamped with an eagle and "ORTSPOLIZEIBENRDE/NO./WINDHOLK/2787", steel buttplate with hinged trap-cover engraved with the serial number, the trap containing a takedown cleaning rod, rear iron sling mount and front sling mounting point beneath the barrels (loop missing). Decorated throughout with best quality border and scroll engraving. Weight is 6 lbs. 14.2 oz. This gun bears Belgian black powder only proofmarks (non-definitive) and the German crowned "V" Vorratszeichen mark and was meant for use with ball or bullet. The makers have kindly confirmed that this shotgun was completed in 1878. The makers records note that this was ordered for Crown Prince Rudolph Habsburg, but the presence of the chiselled crowned "L" monogram indicates the actual recipient was almost certainly Prince Leopold von Bayern. Barrel measurements: right nominally proved at 17.0mm, measuring 17.0mm+, minimum wall thickness 41; left nominally proved at 17.0mm, measuring 17.0mm+, minimum wall thickness 45. Provenance: Property of a German Prince, great, great grandchild of Emperor Franz Josef I, Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary.

ORTSPOLIZEIBENRDE Translation is police department?

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Prince Leopold von Bayerns monogram is not the same as the L on this gun, so I believe auction house fellow got it wrong. Whos gun was this?

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Well, the Crown over V info in incorrect. But the seller gives that Springer did provide some info?

Jani is well versed in crowns but his is on holiday in Kocevski Rog / Slovenian Woods chasing bear.

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>>ORTSPOLIZEIBENRDE - NO. - WINDHOLK - 2787<<.

One or both seem to be misspelled. Too, Nummer is typically abbreviated Nr.?? But yes, arms to flow thru the Local Police Department where the paperwork is processed to go to & fro... Someone may have turned it in @ some point? But there seems to be some critical pieces of the puzzle missing or the info provided is rife with errors? I would want to see the actual Springer ledger.

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There are oh so many different crowns.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangkrone

In any case, this appears to be of high rank, somewhere between Duke and royalty. Which state (Bavaria, Prussia etc.) I have no idea.

The stamping on the stock I read as
ORTSPOLIZEIBEHRDE WINDHOEK
Local Police Office in Windhoek, then Deutsch-Sdwestafrica, now Namibia

Meaning the gun was there before 1915 and had to be registered with the local police

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Rudolfs younger brother was Karl Ludwig heir to Austrian Empire?

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It is not likely that a "bespoke" Austrian made gun, completed in 1878 would have a Vorratzeichen mark. This mark is likely for something else, suggest checking Belgian proofmarks. Fuhrmann has the correct spelling, BTY.
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Originally Posted By: Jtplumb
Rudolfs younger brother was Karl Ludwig heir to Austrian Empire?


Karl I, born 1887 as Carl Franz Joseph Ludwig Hubert Georg Otto Maria von sterreich....

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