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Joe, I wonder if it were possible for any one of us to measure shot strings out of several different guns, of several different gauges, using the same (let's say 1 oz.) payload, if there would be individual small bore guns that might have as short, or shorter, shoestrings because of the way the individual gun is bored, choked, the forcing cone in it, bore diameter, etc.
After reading Brister, and after 60 years of shotgun patterning, one thing I take away is that each gun is an individual, and if you try to fit them into a "mold" or make broad sweeping correlations about them based upon gauge, load, or even "common knowledge", you will be shown to be wrong at some point.
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When I hunt birds, I shoot a 1 Oz load in a 12, 16 or a 20. I dont see much if any difference in effectiveness on game. This is part of my question, if you have a 12 and a 20 and they both weigh 6.5 lbs and balance and fit the same does it matter which one you buy?
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20 ga shells take up less room in the shell pouch but weigh pretty much the same as 12 ga if both are loaded with 1 Oz of shot.
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Id expect the 20 to have sturdier barrels compared to the 12 with the same overall weight. Id opt to buy the gun I liked the look of best if weight balance and fit were equal though.
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20s are for ladies and kids. They might be alright for quail. Personally, I like the 16 for grouse and woodcock.
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Joe, I wonder if it were possible for any one of us to measure shot strings out of several different guns, of several different gauges, using the same (let's say 1 oz.) payload, if there would be individual small bore guns that might have as short, or shorter, shoestrings because of the way the individual gun is bored, choked, the forcing cone in it, bore diameter, etc.
SRH Much as we might wish it to be so Stan, it's highly unlikely. The shot charge from a cylinder bore gun leaves the barrel with a longer string the smaller the bore for a given shot weight. Nothing can change that. Choke, any choke at all, induces a speed differential between the leading and trailing pellets as shown by photography. There is simply no mechanism at play that can possibly shorten the shot string once it's free of the barrel. Does it matter much? Only on fast and long crossing targets. Shoot what you like, but don't expect your favorite rig to defy physics. The ideal shotgun would have a bore the size of one layer of shot. The shot string would be zero, all of it arriving at the plane of the target at the same time.
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When I hunt birds, I shoot a 1 Oz load in a 12, 16 or a 20. I dont see much if any difference in effectiveness on game. This is part of my question, if you have a 12 and a 20 and they both weigh 6.5 lbs and balance and fit the same does it matter which one you buy? Yes, buy the one that is prettier, in this particular case.
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Joe, I wonder if it were possible for any one of us to measure shot strings out of several different guns, of several different gauges, using the same (let's say 1 oz.) payload, if there would be individual small bore guns that might have as short, or shorter, shoestrings because of the way the individual gun is bored, choked, the forcing cone in it, bore diameter, etc.
SRH Much as we might wish it to be so Stan, it's highly unlikely. The shot charge from a cylinder bore gun leaves the barrel with a longer string the smaller the bore for a given shot weight. Nothing can change that. Choke, any choke at all, induces a speed differential between the leading and trailing pellets as shown by photography. There is simply no mechanism at play that can possibly shorten the shot string once it's free of the barrel. Does it matter much? Only on fast and long crossing targets. Shoot what you like, but don't expect your favorite rig to defy physics. The ideal shotgun would have a bore the size of one layer of shot. The shot string would be zero, all of it arriving at the plane of the target at the same time. Thanks, SJ. The voice of reason. In practice, length of shot strings is not something I concern myself with, except to the extent that I limit the range of my shots much more stringently the smaller the bore.
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Here's my predicament,I've always loved sxs guns and I've decided to sell off some guns I don't use and buy 2 nice sxs's.i will have enough $$ for one now and another in a year or so
I've spent more time hunting with a 20 gauge than a 12 so im really fond of that bore but I see i can get 12 gauges in the 6.5 lbs range and it make me wonder if I should spend my money on a good Spanish 12 or a 20 first?
I will be hunting grouse and pheasants over a pointer.
What do you think?
Only predicament I see is the cOOl factor you seek. Why throw good money at a Spanish sxs when a Browning 20 ga. over and under will fill the bill better ?
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after 60 years of shotgun patterning You must've been patterning before patterning was kOOl....60 years. Hmmm
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