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Originally Posted By: Ithaca5E
Back in thee sixties when plastic over-powder wads and one-piece wads entered the market, the published recipes called for reduced powder charges due to the more efficient sealing of the plastic wads.

Just my opinion, but I should think that a given load would be pretty oblivious to the length of the shell; the only material change would be what, the lower weight of the shorter wad?


Agreed. Just hard to get a crimp on a load that is 1/2" short


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Brent, the velocity on the hard wads was all over the place the first time:
472
906
736
1019
1011

With a mess like that, dunno what I would call an outlier.

And pretty consistent the second time:
1136
1136
1152
1171
1101

I have wondered about gas seals, but people must have gotten fiber wads to work pretty consistently when they were standard.

My initial attempts to measure velocity of BP loads yielded no results, presumably due to the mass of ejecta confusing the chrono. I have built a funnel to reduce the possibility of flyers hitting the chrono (again), and will see if that helps with BP loads.

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Yeah, I see what you mean, but that 472 fps. Hell, I can run that fast (well that's a lie, but it's not a lot faster than a compound bow).

I sure do like the patterns I was getting with my load. They have been beautiful and consistently so. They hit hard enough to kill stuff bang-flop dead most of the time, and penetration has been excellent with #5 Bi or #5 lead. Will double check them tomorrow on some woodies with luck, and maybe even a giant or two.


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I spent a lot of time on 2 1/2 inch 16 G tried about everything. Fiber wads Roll crimps cutting 2 7/8 down, you name it I did it.

Ended up using Hodgdon’s 2 1/2 inch Cheddite Hull on line data. It works no fuss. Easy as loading 12 or 20.

Started with a flat of RST to obtain empties, since paid a trapper to collect RST hulls at a Tournament. 10 cents a hull one time, lifetime supply. 2 1/2 so close to 2 7/8 able to adjust the PW 375 Taper Crimp dies to crimp properly.

Prior to adjusting my PW used a Mec 600 with the short kit. Worked well, using the PW saved bench space. Buddy is loading 2 1/2 16 on the Mec now.

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Weight of ejecta is only one factor affecting pressure. The friction of column height is another. Yes, pressure and velocity are independent, but an unplanned loss of pressure through inefficient sealing can affect a loss of velocity. In an early Lyman reloading manual it offers caveats of recommended numbers of nitro cards and column heights of fiber wads and states best vs. worst combinations. RST seems to have it figured out as some of its fiber wadded loads use only fiber wads without the nitro card. And don't get lulled into a feeling of security by using old recipes in newer paper hulls by Cheddite. These aren't your grandfather's hulls as the newer Cheddites have molded plastic bases internally as opposed to the old non plastic based hulls.

Boats, what did you use for fiber wads? Gil

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Fibers were from Precession Reloading. Nitro card then fiber split to make correct stack height. Over shot & roll crimped. Add cutting down 2 7/8 to 2 1/2 its a lot of work . The stacked fiber worked well it’s not easy like powder, shot cup, shot crimp & go.

I usually shoot 16 in a very light Parker Hammer gun. High volume, 100-125 round of clays. For me it’s best use low recoil shells & keep the loading simple. I use the 3/4 oz data most, load some 7/8/ for a Parker Trojan using Hodgdons loads too.

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Originally Posted By: Boats
Fibers were from Precession Reloading. Nitro card then fiber split to make correct stack height.
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Thanks. I've ordered a couple of bags. My current fiber wads are ancient Alcan Blue Streaks that are so hard they must have been made from wood fibers cut from fallen trees in Arizona's National Petrified Forest. I'll see if they make a difference. Gil

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Are any Circle Fly wads suitable for shotshell reloading? I'm totally ignorant about the use of fiber wads in shells.

They seem to stay soft for a long time. I have a piece of a bag that I bought in Friendship, IN when shooting my "new to me" 16 ga. percussion m/l in about 1984, with Max Vickery. Couple of years ago they were still easily compressible.

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Stan, I bought a bag a few years ago in 16 ga. and they were dripping wet. I had concerns about powder contamination even with a nitro card. I've wondered if they may have made for black powder muzzle loaders and I either ordered or was sent the wrong stock. Gil

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Hmmm. They must have sent prelubed wads, with something like moose milk. Mine were dry when I bought them.

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