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just bought this wonderfully preserved doublegun... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880243787info re maker is scarce... gardener indicates they were in business in birmingham from 1840 to 1853... have seen other o & w marked guns, but never one quite as nice as this one... re proof marks: do not recognise them... positive input would be appreciated...
Last edited by ed good; 10/12/20 12:00 PM.
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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You've bought a cracker there Ed. Another of our guns that's found its way over the pond! I have found reference to Onions & Wheelock in Birmingham in 1840 in an old book. There were quite a few Onions working in the Trade in Birmingham working as barrel filers and other associated trades. It seems to have been quite a dynasty. Proof marks are right for the period in Birmingham. There appears to be a workman's initials that look like M & S. I've gone through what I have without success. I think you got a good buy there and one that I would have been very happy with at that price. Lagopus…..
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Nice gun indeed. Don't torch it.
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The barrels look to be Laminated Steel Ed, which would be expected on a quality double of that era. This is a c. 1860s W&C Scott & Son 
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Unique metal rim around the forend. Very nice! I’m envious....
When an old man dies a library burns to the ground. (Old African proverb)
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doc drew: was not laminated steel a latter development, like circa 1880?
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English ‘Best Guns’ used Stub Twist 1820s-40s, then both Stub Twist and an early Laminated Steel into the 1860s. Crolle Damascus was available in the 1820s, but “English Two Stripe” was not in general use until the mid-1800s, and with Three Iron “Oxford” and a later Laminated Steel, was used c. 1850-1890s. 3 Iron English Best Laminated Steel was the winner of the Birmingham Proof House Trial reported in 1891, but had a very different appearance that mid-1800s Laminated Steel https://docs.google.com/document/d/1__gn3XKjLX_4V0LguzoVGBwJRFS6SxsWGzUwHq93neo/edit
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Looks like a nice gun. Congrats on beating out "Iron Jim Rackham" and "PunkLP" in the auction. Gotta love the GB user names.
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