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I`ve always thought that a great opportunity was missed by both the English and Spanish guntrade by not building basic guns specifically for clay shooting.They may have still been making a reasonable number of guns!!!! Guns such as AYA #3 and #4 etc to a decent weight with a flat rib.
Instead they watched their business die......
Good to see someone is now making the effort!

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Originally Posted By: Imperdix
I`ve always thought that a great opportunity was missed by both the English and Spanish guntrade by not building basic guns specifically for clay shooting.They may have still been making a reasonable number of guns!!!! Guns such as AYA #3 and #4 etc to a decent weight with a flat rib.
Instead they watched their business die......
Good to see someone is now making the effort!
Very good observation, Imperdix. I've thought the same for a long time.
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Originally Posted By: AZMike
I got a Galazan catalog in my mail box, "Superbird" on the cover--I don't like the name or color casing.

I'm just the opposite, Mike. Why don't you like the cc? And the "Superbird" name is catchy for a dedicated clays gun, imo. Probably not what you would want engraved on your Purdey, lol...
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Originally Posted By: Stan
The point is that the one on here with the biggest post count, mostly from giving smart*** replies to valid questions about S X Ss, or dissing a S X S that is for sale, doesn't even own one, and likely never has had an example of the particular gun in question, in hand.

It's just one more example of why your credibility here is zerO.

SRH

Calm down marm...I've owned Purdey and lots of Scotts and a few others hammer and sidelock.

The old guys I shot with all died..and one day I had a John Browning vision and woke up and sold them and went stack barrel.

How much shotgun credibility can a Verona get you Queeny...

just saying.

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Originally Posted By: CluelessjOe
How much shotgun credibility can a Verona get you Queeny...

just saying.


Not much. I let my shooting create my shotgun credibility. I have been beaten by lesser guns.

But, I'll make yOu an offer. Set up a round of sporting clays at your local club and I'll shoot against yOu next time I pass through Memphis, which will be in the next few weeks with a little cooperation from the ducks over on the L 'Anguille. I'll shoot my 28 ga. junk Verona against yOur 12 ga. 101. That's right, a 28 against a 12, factory loads, heads up. Winner gets bragging rights. Loser pays for the winner's round of clays. A picture of the scorecard gets posted on here. I would offer to shoot you for pink slips but I don't want a 12 gauge 101 any more than yOu want a 28 gauge Verona.

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Originally Posted By: Imperdix
I`ve always thought that a great opportunity was missed by both the English and Spanish guntrade by not building basic guns specifically for clay shooting.They may have still been making a reasonable number of guns!!!! Guns such as AYA #3 and #4 etc to a decent weight with a flat rib.
Instead they watched their business die......
Good to see someone is now making the effort!


An AYA built replica of Percy Stanbury's Webley 400 would be my choice, I've never liked a raised rib on a side by side like Greener's Blue Rock Pigeon gun or the more modern Model 23. I can see the attraction of the CSMC though.

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Originally Posted By: Konor3inch
I've never liked a raised rib on a side by side like Greener's Blue Rock Pigeon gun or the more modern Model 23. I can see the attraction of the CSMC though.


Why do you think you don't like them, Konor? Tradition, looks? Just curious.

The reason I ask is that no one complains about a raised rib on an O/U gun. Almost all of them have 'em. I've only shot one O/U in my life that didn't have a raised rib and that was a Valmet Waterfowler, which was built with 36" barrels. It has no rib, to save weight obviously, but has a short "stub rib" fore and aft.

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I've never liked a raised rib on a side by side like Greener's Blue Rock Pigeon gun or the more modern Model 23. I can see the attraction of the CSMC though.


Why do you think you don't like them, Konor? Tradition, looks? Just curious.

The reason I ask is that no one complains about a raised rib on an O/U gun. Almost all of them have 'em. I've only shot one O/U in my life that didn't have a raised rib and that was a Valmet Waterfowler, which was built with 36" barrels. It has no rib, to save weight obviously, but has a short "stub rib" fore and aft.

Experience with a model 23 waterfowl . I used it for a few years wildfowling and enjoyed it in the half light of dusk and moonflighting but when I used it on clays the ramp up onto the rib distracted me in a way that a flat ribbed over and under didn't. I remember thinking at the time, around 20 years ago,that if it only had a flat rib it would have been my ideal side by side for wildfowling and clays. I like the look of the raised rib on a side by side but as I say I just find the ramp a distraction , I had the same experience shooting an older beretta semi auto that had a steep ramp onto the rib itself. I dare say time spent shooting would probably solve the issue but at the time I just moved on to another gun.
Edit to add Beretta was an A390 step rib that a friend owned.
I like my side by sides but I'm not a died in the wool traditionalist. My favourite gun for years was a model 12 plain barrel 20 bore ,in poor condition the barrel was pinned to the action to prevent it being taken down to comply with magazine restrictions as interpreted by the London proof house.My skeet grade model 12 restricted at the Birmingham proof house is not pinned and can be broken down. Both barrels are not in good condition and pitted but I have enjoyed both as much as any side by side.


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I may have misunderstood what you meant by raised rib. I consider a flat rib raised, too, above what a concave game rib normally is. But, I think you're referring to a rib that is raised so much that there must be a ramp at the rear. My bad.

That type ramp doesn't bother my shooting. I shoot that type rib on my MX8 very well. But, I don't care for the looks of one that high on a S X S. A simple flat rib is high enough for me, and I much prefer them over a concave, English style game gun rib.

Thanks, SRH


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Originally Posted By: buzz
Who are you talking about Stan....nca225??


Umm, for the record buzz I have 7 side by sides, and I hunt/dog train with all of them. Although I do admit, I don't have any O/U's, Autoloaders, Pumps or single shot shotguns.


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