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A very interesting little Side-Lever Rook Rifle - 300 Long Shot caliber

Hello All,

In addition to Big-Bores. I also have a fondness for the little ones. I especially like the little Rook Rifles that were used by the British.

This one is a Mariette with Belgium proofs. It is a Side-Lever Take-Down rifle. This rifle shows very high quality having excellent workmanship. There is some remaining case color, and it has a Mint Bore.

It also has an ejector-assist mechanism. The pistol-grip stock has fine checkering, and it even has heel & toe plates with checkering in between. The chambering is an extremely rare 300 Long Shot caliber. I could not find any information about this cartridge any where, nor could I find any loading data. In order to shoot it, I had to contrive some from scratch and experiment. I did a chamber cast and made a drawing and had custom cases made by Rocky Mountain Cartridge Co..

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well? where are the pics? And maybe one of the cartridge too.

Sounds interesting enough.


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I know nothing about this type of loading so here's the rookie question...
if you put the paper wad in before the powder doesn't it block ignition from the primer?


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RR, sometimes this is done to "soften the primer's flash, and also to make it more uniform. Not uncommon among BPCR shooters. Others use large pistol primers instead.

You'd be surprised by what a primer can burn through.


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Originally Posted By: BrentD
well? where are the pics? And maybe one of the cartridge too.

Sounds interesting enough.

Hello BrentD,
Thanks for the reply.

Not sure why you can't see the pics.

Originally Posted By: Recoil Rob
I know nothing about this type of loading so here's the rookie question...
if you put the paper wad in before the powder doesn't it block ignition from the primer?

Hello Recoil Rob,
Thanks for the reply.

In this case I use the paper "pill" to keep the powder from shifting around inside the case. Without the pill, the case was position sensitive. powder level within the case was fine. But if the powder was totally back in the case, against the primer, I got sticky extraction. The small paper pill solved this inconstancy. This is an old trick, and doesn't interfere with ignition as long as the pill is reasonably small. testing in this cartridge proved that a 1" square of single-ply Toilet paper works great.

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Like Sgt Schultz, "I see nothing."

Hello Vall,
Thanks for the reply.

How about now?


Hello SKB,
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, posted there also.

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Hello All,

Well, I'm back from the range and I am very pleased with the results. It was pretty cold outside this morning so I only shot on our 50 foot indoor range. I got all the information I was looking for. -see the target- This is one of my FLY targets. We use these in offhand competition during the Winter Months. The black circles are 3/8" thick and 2-3/8" outside diameter. Although we shoot mostly with scopes and aim directly at the fly, the thick black circle allows the use of iron sights, as I did with this rifle. If the bullet stays totally inside the black circle, you get 1 point. If you "HIT" the fly (wing, antenna, leg) its a "HIT" and you get 2 points. If you "KILL the fly by hitting the head or body, its a "KILL" and you get 3 points. 2-shots per fly - total of 10 shots per target. Unlimited siighters at the upper left target. Best score you can get is a "30". Each relay is 1 target, 10 targets total for a match.

As you can see by the target, the rifle performed most admirably. It took only 2 shots to get it zeroed-in, and then; the last 3 shots resulted in 1-HIT, and 2-KILLS. What a HOOT ! ! ! And look at the standard deviation .. a "6" ... that's amazing and surpassed my most optimistic expectations. I'm still grinning 3 hours later.

Rooks and Rabbits beware. .... and squirrels too.


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Nice little rifle. The cartridge actually looks bigger than I expected. And very straight - no taper at all. How does it extract? Does the rifle and cartridge predate smokeless?

I've shot a number of similar rifles. Mostly Martinis but a Bland comes to mind also.

I can't see pics here, but I did see them on AR.


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Originally Posted By: BrentD
Nice little rifle. The cartridge actually looks bigger than I expected. And very straight - no taper at all. How does it extract? Does the rifle and cartridge predate smokeless?

I've shot a number of similar rifles. Mostly Martinis but a Bland comes to mind also.

I can't see pics here, but I did see them on AR.


Hello BrentD,
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, the case is straight - no taper at all. Extraction can be sticky when loading smokeless. I assume it was originally intended for black powder. Very Long to get more powder behind the bullet. Not sure why you can't see the pics ... they show up OK on my screen.


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