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About a year ago when I started seriously shooting at clay's with an 1847 Reilly 16 bore muzzle loader, we discussed a problem with a ramrod on this line:
https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=559876

Stan recommended a home-made ramrod with a doorknob....perfect for sitting on a dove field:
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My Copy - still my go-to ramrod to this day, flange nut and all:


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Stan, the flame front of Black Powder is sub sonic, while modern propellants (in the chamber) are supersonic. Modern powders are almost entirely consumed before the shot leaves the cartridge. With black powder the lad has moved before burning is complete, so it is much harder to impossible to get the same acceleration with black powder.

Fortunately for BP shooters, the difference between velocities at say 25 yards of 1300 fps and 1150 fps shells is somewhere in the vicinity of 50 fps, so it's less important than it appears on the box top.

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It's also a non-issue for me, Lorne, because I actually prefer loads around 1200 fps - 1150 fps for most everything. I am as happy as somebody with good sense when I've got loads in the 1175 range.

I can't remember what the velocity is on the 1 oz. equal volume load I use in my 16 ga. m/loader, but wouldn't be surprised if it isn't under 1100.


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i HAVE HUNTED DOVE, QUAIL AND PHEASANT WITH A 12 GA DOUBLE MUZZLELOADER. ALWAYS BLACK POWDER AND LOTS OF FUN.

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argo: i like your shooting box...

and making an improved loading rod utilizing an old door knob is creative genius!


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In the boat I used to just leave the original rod at home and use a 5/8" birch dowel for my 10-bore. Then except for the shot bag, the capper, wads, and vials of powder were in the pockets of my parka. Saved a bit of time not having to thread the rod through the thimbles each time I needed a reload. I really miss those days!

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Ed, that's Stan's box....mine are a lot simpler (Stan is the pro - I'm the third choice in a 5 man-pick-up YMCA basketball squad) - basically I use former plastic M&M cylinder for the patches ....and again I copied Stan's original door knob concept...I still had an old brass door knob in the parts' box.

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Very interesting Thread. I have hunted with a 28-bore muzzle loader a number of trips mostly over released birds. Complaint from hunting partners is that my hunting with this is far to slow for their liking. Always the same reply from me " It is not how many but how". Very enjoyable for me and I have never felt under gunned. I might add that one of my favorite deer seasons is with a flintlock in PA. Kudos to those that also enjoy the hunt with ML's.
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under gunned reminds me of my old pet peeve. I wish the US Fish & Wildlife Service would bend a bit to tradition and not be so oriented towards law enforcement. They should allow ORIGINAL shotguns using black powder to be used on waterfowl even if the guns are larger than 10-bore. And especially for species like Snow Geese where the goal is to reduce populations. Now its legal to shoot pumps and autoloaders that hold three rounds of with 3 1/2" 10ga, but your single or double 8 ga will be confiscated if you shoot one shot with a load of non-toxic shot or are even caught with the gun while hunting any migratory game birds.

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I agree with you Hal, but they are not going to crack that door...Geo

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