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I tend to agree that the engraving on the Auction gun does not look up to Kornbrath standards. Animal appears to be a cross between a bear and porcupine. Also keep in mind Michael wrote that all the S-man rifles he had seen were stocked in American Black Walnut. Does someone who tries to save a few bucks on wood really send a rifle to Kornbrath for engraving? I have no idea, just speculating. Maybe he had another reason to use Black Walnut, maybe he just liked it, maybe he had a good supply of it. We may never know, nice rifle but I can't see it being a $10,000 rifle.
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Gasgunner, a question if I can, do you think the auction rifle if Black Walnut? I don't see it as so, however I am only guessing here. One other thing, the floral stock carving is rather detailed and I wonder if one can carve BW to that detail without chipping. I am not a carver but speculating from looking at other carving on stocks.
DanL, what is the stock wood on your rifle?
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The engraving on my rifle is said to be by Kornbrath but I am no expert on engraving. The gun is also rather beat up and the TG & FP may have been refinished at some time which makes the engraving look funny. I think I have seen the bear with two cubs on another rifle that was described as Kornbrath. As for the wood, I'm pretty sure it is American walnut, I will take a picture of the butt end which is fancy grained. The forend sure looks American. The checkering pattern is very plain and without the hump at the comb and I only have one other Sman '03 without the hump and that is the full stocked one and I consider those two to be some of his earliest guns. The Ross Sman rifle also is without the hump.
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Gasgunner, a question if I can, do you think the auction rifle if Black Walnut? I don't see it as so, however I am only guessing here. One other thing, the floral stock carving is rather detailed and I wonder if one can carve BW to that detail without chipping. I am not a carver but speculating from looking at other carving on stocks.
DanL, what is the stock wood on your rifle? I believe it is, and not quarter sawn to boot. Looks like something Remington would have used on there higher grade bolt guns. John
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Last edited by LRF; 04/02/21 05:34 PM.
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The rifle which is the subject of this posting sold today for $6500. A decent price but not a WOW price and may indicate some questioning of it's authenticity. IMO Of interest, at the same auction and maybe in comparison ,was a Model 54 Winchester in 405 Win which went for $5500 and a Mod 70 in the same 405 Win sold for $18000. Not surprising but it does indicate the buyers at the auction were willing to spend for the good items.
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I doubt that the rifle sold as that is no where near the amount that the owner says that he has in it. In fact the first time he had it at Morphy, it ended at a higher price than this.
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I doubt that the rifle sold as that is no where near the amount that the owner says that he has in it. In fact the first time he had it at Morphy, it ended at a higher price than this. I was going by what it said in Proxibid, that it sold onsite. However your saying that it didn't really sell because the $6500 was below the reserve. Well that certainly could be, however if the seller has tried to sell it twice without success then even more reason to believe it is a tainted rifle and one to pass on.
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