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#595653 04/17/21 04:35 PM
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Hey all. I'm new here and new to double rifles. I picked up one with mixed hammers and a 2 leaf rear sight. Safeties and hammers work fine. Excellent bore with 9 wide grooves. One firing pin isn't retained. Will that cause an issue when firing? Has anyone got a split 500 case that I could buy? I don't want to buy 20 if I'm wrong on the caliber. The chamber is approximately 2.5". The barrels have 3 proof marks and the number 39 on the bottom flats. Marked Thomas Turner on barrels and locks. Tight as a bank vault. I was told made in 1875 but I can't seem to find out much about the maker. Any help will be appreciated. Unfamiliar with posting pictures.

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Shortgrub,
The easiest way would be to make a chamber cast and compare the dimensions to the cartridge you think it is. Just remember a chamber will be a little larger than the intended cartridge( from a few thousandths of an inch to more than 15 thousandths. Old cartridges vary the most). Cerrosafe is available from suppliers of gunsmithing tools and is the most recommended material for this. It is a little expensive, but is reusable over and over again. You should have a gunsmith check that firing pin( checking the whole rifle wouldn't hurt).
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Thanks Mike for the reply.

I have some Cerrosafe on order. I am going to make a trip to see a gunsmith this coming week. I feel like Mikey waiting for his BB gun at Christmas. I find very little info on the maker of this rifle. Is the maker Thomas Turner well known in the double circle?

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Shortgrub,
While I have an interest in English riles, my main interest is German sporting guns. There are others on the forum that are much more knowledgeable of English makers than I. For the best help, it will be necessary to post clear, readable photos of the gun and all the markings, especially proof markings. Being computer illiterate, myself, I understand your problem with posting photos. Raimey Ellenberg as ellenber has been willing to post photos for other people and has been very helpful in this regard. If you can email them to him, he will likely help. It would be nice to ask him first though.
Mike.

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Thank you Sir for that info. I really do need to know how to post pictures.

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That should be lots of fun, likely .500 3". Looks the the bores are great.


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Birmingham proofs.

The >>39<< would equate to 0.492", Bullet for proof would have had a diameter of 0.472", bullet length would have been 1.422" and bullet weight would have been 715 grains ahead of 68 grains of powder.


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I think you are mistaken in regards to bullet weight and powder charge. Standard powder charge is 135 grains of black, bullet weight varied from 335 gr up to about 500 grains(I need to check my books to get an exact figure). The 39 would be bore diameter not groove, bullet will likely be between .504 and .510"
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