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several questions/comments....as i am currently pursuing a simson/jaeger with herold markings, and there's not a wealth of information re these interesting guns;

does this gun have the "herold" marking? i understand that jaeger produced guns into the early 1930's, but i have never seen one of the verschluss guns with a serial number as high as this example. i note the suhl "nitro" marks, so assume it's 1912 or later, but don't see the german date stamp (starting 1924?)....but there are some marks obscured by later british stamps....and i see the crown & R's, but don't see the usual cross and letter/number stamp that would indicate date of british reproof.

at any rate it is a handsome gun, and for me, an interesting variation....and i hope you enjoy it.

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while i was considering this simson/jager https://www.gunbroker.com/item/893510026 which was nice, but over priced (imo - seller didn't seem to think so....)

i stumbled onto this example, in a shop in new york state https://gunsandbows.net/product/fra...l-length-is-28-34-serial-number9944-617/

it is in nice shape, with an amazing amount of case colors intact....seller says 2.75" chambers - but that remains to be seen. seller has sent me several decent cell phone photos of the action body - but none of proofs. interestingly, the floor plate has the typical "herold" markings, but not the "simson jager verschluss" markings that (usually) accompany the former.

at any rate, fellow was nice and helpful...price seems reasonable, and payment was sent yesterday....we shall see.

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tom


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i have in hand the jager "herold" 12g referenced above. the gun is in astonishing condition, as close to 100% cc as i can imagine, neither wood nor metal show any significant usage. original horn buttplate is gone....cut to 14.2 inches on a pachmayr recoil pad (at least it's not a white line...) otherwise the gun appears untouched, all screws are clean, and contrary to what the seller told me it is an ejector gun - the extractors fit so tightly on their face that at a glance they appear to be a single piece of metal. he had also told me it was a 2&3/4 chambered gun, but it is still 65mm with unaltered cones. FLUSSTAHL KRUPP ESSEN...bores measure .721-2, and chokes at left 40 thou, and right 25 thou...6# 13oz and nicely balanced. judging from the jager catalogs, i believe it to be a model 3E, with ornamented side clips and the typical "catseyes". judging by my searches, side clips and ejectors seem to always be together.

gun has typical post 1912 - pre 1924 suhl proofs....but there are two marks that i am curious about; chambers are marked with 12 encircled, and beside them are 13 with what at a glance looks like 13/1....but on closer inspection it appears to be 13 with a script M, almost touching the 13. have never seen this mark - could it mean muzzle? that would be accurate for the left bore, not so much for the right.

and the second question regards two stampings "GERMANY" in very small block letters; once on the barrel at 9 o'clock on the left chamber area, and another in the wood near the end of the left side panel (about where a tear drop would be found on an english gun). those would seem to indicate the gun was intended for export, and may not be original factory markings (?).

at any rate it is a lovely gun, with dimensions that seem to fit me nicely, and i am pleased to have found a nice example of something i have looked for several years.

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tom


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Great to hear, show us some pics. I have yet to find or hear of these guns being loose or off face. Congrats!

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greybeardtmm3,
The 12 in a circle shows the gun has( at time of proof) a standard 12 ga( 65mm) chamber. The 13/1 is the diameter of the bore, ahead of the chamber, expressed in gauge measurement and works out to 18.26mm.
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I owned a 12 GA Franz Jaeger Herold in the same configuration except my gun had a thumb decocking button that acted as a safety. a n outstanding shotgun. if it had been a 16 bore I would never have donated it to the RGS banquet. My gun was very light for a twelve GA. That is why I gave it away. I showed the gun to Detric and he told me some things about it. congratulation on getting a fine gun.

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